580
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 22 Jan 2024
580 points (97.2% liked)
politics
19096 readers
1900 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Well, your next part of your response (see below) actually signals that flexibility in changing of opinion does happen.
Otherwise, my own personal life experiences is contrary to what you stated, as Groucho Marx once quoted, "I can believe you, or my lying eyes." I'm not going to doxx myself though, to prove that point, you'll have to just take my word for it.
It's an important point too.
A lot of times we go through our individual lives seeing things around us as not the way we would want them to be, and wonder if we are the only one who feels that way. Seeing other members in our society believe the same way as we do is a positive uplift to our own lives.
The problem with that philosophy though is that you end up seeing everything as 'not worth it' because human nature is such that you don't want to be bothered to make the effort, and have to deal with the circumstances. Meanwhile, hatred continues to creep into our society more and more, as today's events avidly show.
Sitting on the sidelines doesn't help fix anything. I'm not saying you have to throw yourself in the battle each and every time (tag-teaming is okay) but you should at the very least do so if the effort is minimal. Comment responding on an Internet forum is low effort (at least initially).
Well, that depends if you view my opinion as radical. That was at least what I was talking about - not sure if it was clear or not.
Sure, we than have very different experiences when it comes to online, written debates. Which is absolutely possible - would be interesting to find out why.
Fair point. That I personally tend to overlook since I'm rather a non conformist myself. But I can see how it's in general rather helpful.
I don't see how one necessary results in the other. I can run away if I'm alone at night and there are five Neonazis in front of me - no point in proving them wrong. Does not mean that I won't speak up when I think it's necessary.
Sure, but also a very low form of any actual benefit. But than again, I won't pretend like I know an effective way of fighting against the rise of the modern right. So who am I to judge?
(Emphasis above is mine)
It got us to talk, and share ideas/philosophies, didn't it? I'd say it had a benefit.
Also, there are others who read and do not respond that it may affect, that you would never see the positive benefit of such an interaction of those others.
And as I mentioned before, you don't do it for the rewards, you do it because it needs to be done. Hate should always be pushed back against.
Again, I was talking about specific engaging with radical opinions. I would not consider our conversation an example of such. Would you?
Again, my point is that by engaging also more people will be exposed to the radical point of view, it helps to keep it in the discussion. Which does not mean to never to engage. Like I'm rather selective - I will engage if I think I have a good answer, because I have some knowledge or maybe just a good way of pointing out the absurd. If I see someone talking to crazy shit to them self, with no one around, I will also just go by (if I'm not in the right mood).
That is not the way I think about it.
We still disagree on this one.