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Biden says he'll shut down the border if deal gives him authority
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The election year eternal immigrant caravan strikes again. I get the move politically, but it’s unfortunate the GOP is so much better at messaging and controlling public focus than the Dems. They have no answer but to play the game on Republican terms.
I don't understand how the immigrant caravan magically disappears the Wednesday after election day. It's like they start making their way to the border the January of an election year and then poof they are gone after the polls close.
Their greatest magic trick is that it will disappear for the entirety of a Republican administration. It's Schrodinger's caravan. It only exists if there is an election coming up, or a Democrat is in office.
it's the same reason why the fears of rainbow fentanyl ramps up all october and dissappears on november 1, never to be invoked again until the next september.
It's a quantum thing. Schrodinger's caravan. It both exists and doesn't exist. When election results are observed, spooky action at a distance causes the caravan to disappear.
Well, they're coming here to cast illegal votes for Crooked Joe Biden /s
It's all so sad yet they hammer it so hard that even my Trump hating friends believe this caravan bullshit.
That’s because the GOP take the easy road of appealing to people’s fear where as dems in theory try to appeal to logic and sensibility, it’s a fight they can never win.
It's also a situation requiring nuance and informed critical thinking. We need immigrants to sustain our labor force, and we should be selective about removing red tape and monolithic obstacles for all people crossing the border while maintaining a reliable record of resources and threats to prevent the intake system from being overwhelmed. You can't fit that on a bumper sticker.
You can, but nobody would be able to read it.
Big part of it is because Republican rhetoric is so much more shocking and sensationalist by design. It attracts attention instantly. Dems do the boring, bread-and-butter politics that we need to run the country. Doesn't attract as much attention.
Playing the game on Republican terms is why they seem so much better at messaging than us. "Our opponents are right that this is a problem, but our solution is better" is not convincing. "Our opponents are lying about this, like they do with everything else. The situation is under control and we're going to keep it that way by [insert legislation du jour]" is.
The situation is not under control, which is why it is gaining bipartisan support. Lying and saying they are lying just makes you the baddie... Like what?
Not that Republicans want to actually solve the issue because much like abortion it's better to always be a looming scare tactic to use politically, but I kind of appreciate this move because the border is literally the only thing Republicans remotely have going into this election... And frankly, that isn't much. This border crisis thing has gone on for years and no matter how much they try to use it against Dems, it ultimately doesn't particularly impact voting outcomes all that much.
... Border is all that is resonating a little with (frankly ignorant) voters.
dont forget abortion! they accidentally removed that from their list!
Yeah I was going to clarify.. That completely backfired.
Like most issues: if we let Republicans completely have what they want, it is overwhelmingly unpopular. If we let Democrats have what they want, it is overwhelmingly popular, generally.
So why is the Biden administration doing what Republicans want here? Their name and our party's name is going to be all over the overwhelmingly unpopular policies and Republicans are just going to keep saying the border's a problem no matter what we do
Because no matter how one slices it, the "border issue" is the only thing that is resonating with voters.
It has overtaken Inflation as the #1 issue.
Because Democrats can't actually do what needs to be done to solve the root problems of the border issue, the only option is to absorb the position of Republicans to take the wind out of their sails, and hopefully, be more responsible and discretionary in the process itself. Yeah Republicans will refuse to give Biden that victory, but Biden can still rebuttal in ads and on debate stages, "Oh yeah? I agreed to doing everything and more than what Republicans want and you're still obstructing me!" (so in reality, like you said: nothing will change anyway because Republicans won't actually endorse this and lose their last political bruiser, so what's to lose?)
A link for that quote would be appreciated.
They could be doing more to improve things and stop crap like this that makes it worse
I have no earthly idea how you could think this will do that, it's going to do the exact opposite by making all the people who aren't really paying attention say "Gosh, I guess the Republicans must be right about this if the Democrats are trying to to pass their type of policies. I guess if we need a Republican approach to solve this totally real issue we should probably get it from a Republican government."
Republicans: "Biden's lying or has Alzheimer's, we wanted [xyz crap they make up on the spot] and Biden never offered it."
Journalists: "Our fact checkers sai-"
Republicans: "Fake news"
Voters: "I like their confidence! And besides, when I think 'tough' on the border or crime or whatever, I know that isn't Democrats, that's the Republican's thing! Maybe a Democrat will talk tough when they want to get reelected but they won't ever really do it, and there is absolutely nothing that can happen to change my mind about this because I don't pay attention to anything because the news depresses me."
If this legislation does pass people will suffer and die
e; trying to be less of a sarcastic asshole
Sure.
This is conveniently ambiguous. What, specifically?
Why would you think that and not, "Gosh, I think Democrats are actually doing a pretty good job and I really don't want to vote for Trump, and since they seem to be trying to solve the border issue as well which was my chief concern, I really don't have a reason to not vote for them now."?
You have to remember that the independents / moderates / centrists in this country are pretty easily-swayed. They go with the currents. They get fixated on the national talking-points that tend to be governed by the onslaught of right-wing media propaganda that dominates the airwaves and social media.
If people are saying: "I like Democrats, but I am concerned about the border," -- what option do Democrats have BUT to at least LOOK like they're cracking down on this issue (even if they know deep-down the premise is bullshit)?
What is wrong with this, and what alternative do you offer, substantively, concretely?
It won't. Trump already undermined it. And if it does, Democrats win the election and can reverse it instead of it just passing a year down the road and being in place for much, much longer with even more people dying.
Edit: Sorry I forgot to respond to this:
Fairly, I do agree there are voters out there like this. The question is how many versus how many who go, "Well, at least I see Democrats are trying, and what difference is it when Trump said he'd build the wall but didn't... So I think I'll just go with the stable choice since the border was my #1 issue and that was my last concern for voting for Biden. Trump is otherwise just too risky..."
And I mean not to sound like a broken record, but what is the alternative plan -- just ignore the fact that a majority of independents view this as a major concern and the border issue (again, manufactured as it is) is now the #1 issue with voters overall? Is that really a winning strategy?
Regardless, you and I aren't privy to the massive amount of polling and focus groups these campaigns with millions of dollars have. Clearly, they have data that probably fills in the gaps that you and I can only otherwise speculate over.
Thank you for the link!
I don't have time to respond to all of this, but there are a few things I just gotta
Ask all your federal agencies what resources they have on hand that could be redirected to humanitarian efforts for migrants and asylum seekers, order those resources deployed immediately with an executive order. When federal courts strike it down for a bullshit reason, change one or two superficial details, reissue the order, and again make it effective immediately. Trump did this with his travel bans and showed a determined executive can move a lot faster than oversight.
Exploiting a badly designed system is not an ideal long term solution I'll admit, but so long as the Republican party continues to exist and make solving those system design problems impossible it will have to do.
Also, ditch the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court with like thirteen new appointments, right after slapping yourself in the face several times for not doing this years ago.
"The border is in crisis right now, but I think Democrats are doing a good job," just seems like a really unlikely pair of opinions to hold to me.
I also feel like if you're in a headspace where the border is your chief concern (with things like climate change, mass shootings, healthcare, affordable housing, Russia, Israel, China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. all at different levels of crisis), you're going to be a harder sell on the big tent party.
And just in general, one of the axioms about human behavior I believe is that if you do not like what is being said you need to change the conversation. I'm thinking of those easily swayed moderates when I say our approach should be, "The border? Sure, we want to get funding from Congress to provide needed services there and that's in process, but what's driving this migration is climate change, and that's why this administration has etc."
Because you do not state this right wing media propaganda controls the narrative, imo
If it's done with a bit of tact and coordination, yeah. Try not to seem like you're ignoring it by responding to it quickly, but if you're giving it more than one or two sentences you're wasting time that should be spent talking about more important issues.
I'll try to narrow down to my central point, but first points I agree with:
Yeah, I believe Biden should do as much as possible to alleviate the suffering for those seeking a better life and seeking asylum within the purview of existing laws.
Yeah I agree the filibuster should be ditched (thank Sinema for blocking that)
Yeah I agree the Supreme Court needs overhauled (though I can't say I'm a legal expert and I know there are a few routes to take with this).
The existential question at hand is: How do we keep Trump and the Republican party and Project 2025 away from power?
Because if entropy teaches us anything, it's always easier to smash a a trillion-piece puzzle than to preserve it let alone build upon it.
Would Biden be acting this way if he had a super-majority in Congress and a fair Supreme Court? I think the answer is fairly clear that he would not. So I think this is what we need to work towards first and foremost.
But here's the key thing: This is the position of many. From that link I gave you, along with this WaPo article titled, "Democrats' border problem is getting real -- they highlight the fact that this is impacting not just swing-voters and independents, but a large swath of Democrats, themselves. That is, indeed, a problem that the Biden administration is clearly concerned about.
Nevertheless, until polling shifts I truly don't think the Biden administration has a choice but to cater to the concerns of these crucial voters, lest he loses and things get very bad very quickly. In the end I believe it would be incredibly hard to pith during an Oval Office meeting to Biden by saying, "Yeah independents, swing voters, and even a large chunk of Democrats consider the (manufactured) border crisis a huge issue, but we don't believe you should concern yourself with this." Meanwhile Ukraine's funding is slipping because of Republicans holding this aid hostage. Unfortunately because of this, every single press conversation and every single debate with Republicans is going to arise the issue of the border crisis.
And while I completely agree with you that that we should "change the conversation" and go to the root of the problem and try to alter the outcome of the polls themselves, that's a long-term strategy and easier said than done when right-wing media propaganda has complete domination on the national narrative — especially in the aftermath of Citizens United and SpeechNow decisions. Forget the fact that there is a clear foreign presence influencing dialogue as well (Russia; likely China). In that respect, I also do think that Biden should redirect the conversation every single time to not just climate change, but to the domestic right-wing extremist terrorist threat within our borders itself. Any time the border comes up, redirect to the threat to Democracy itself and the FBI's pointing out that these are the most dangerous individuals to national security. Not the poor migrants fleeing crime and poverty south of the border. But simultaneously, Biden's campaign has little choice but to respond to the polls as they are now and address it. And to me, I love the move to side-step Republicans and call their bluff.