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hot take, feel free to dunk but holy shit, all the posts from white people being like "let's kill all the white people" is insufferable "i'm one of the good ones!" nonsense and it really should stop (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by blakeus12@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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saying something this edgy does not absolve you of bigotry

edit: for anyone stumbling into the drama, i probably should have elaborated on this post. I am not saying you can't make fun of white people not being able to eat spicy food or anything, but at some point it becomes self-flagellating. to quote comrade RedQuestionAsker:

It's good to challenge white supremacy in all of its incarnations at all time. It's certainly good to refuse to be proud to be white considering what the concept of whiteness is.

It's another thing to performatively hate yourself in a cocktail of millennial self-deprecation and liberal white guilt. It's not revolutionary, and it's probably not good for you.

that is all. comrades just know i dont hate any of you. i'm not trying to start a slapfight. i just saw this as weird performative behavior and wanted to call it out.

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[-] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

can't there be a middle ground between thin-skinned identification with mayoism and performative self-flaggelation

genuine theory-based understanding of white supremacy and an active willingness to not reaffirm and complete the self-flagellation rituals. this ironically means believing you're One Of The Good Ones, but innately, instead of trying to affirm it. (This makes sense because I always got the impression the issue with "not all men" type statements was their implicit ignorance of what are social statements, not blanket statements, so the reason they're annoying is because they're technically true but in a way that misleads readers away from social analysis. I'm just some cracker but if you were to apply this same principle to this conversation it seems like saying "I hate white people" isn't actually annoying in that way because it doesn't draw attention away from societal issues, though it may be annoying in the sense that it's a form of toxic self-harm that could spill over if you used in excess)

[-] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

I really agree overall.

if you were to apply this same principle to this conversation it seems like saying "I hate white people" isn't actually annoying in that way because it doesn't draw attention away from societal issues

On this site and in similar contexts (i.e. with an audience already pretty on board), I agree it doesn't really shift attention. This site has never been about "optics" and I think that's fine. In a different context, like if you were sharing critiques of white supremacy (in person) with someone who is ignorant of them, I do think that would be a distraction from the point and likely to confuse.

[-] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Thank you

In a different context, like if you were sharing critiques of white supremacy (in person) with someone who is ignorant of them, I do think that would be a distraction from the point and likely to confuse.

Yeah, and I do have some faith, maybe misplaced, but some, that most people would immediately regard it as weird for someone to just constantly talk about how much they hate white people while someone else does serious analysis right in front of them.