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hot take, feel free to dunk but holy shit, all the posts from white people being like "let's kill all the white people" is insufferable "i'm one of the good ones!" nonsense and it really should stop (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by blakeus12@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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saying something this edgy does not absolve you of bigotry

edit: for anyone stumbling into the drama, i probably should have elaborated on this post. I am not saying you can't make fun of white people not being able to eat spicy food or anything, but at some point it becomes self-flagellating. to quote comrade RedQuestionAsker:

It's good to challenge white supremacy in all of its incarnations at all time. It's certainly good to refuse to be proud to be white considering what the concept of whiteness is.

It's another thing to performatively hate yourself in a cocktail of millennial self-deprecation and liberal white guilt. It's not revolutionary, and it's probably not good for you.

that is all. comrades just know i dont hate any of you. i'm not trying to start a slapfight. i just saw this as weird performative behavior and wanted to call it out.

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[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah, this reason is sorta why I think I'd prefer if white peoples didn't identify with it. It feels like there's still way more benefit than not in most situations for most people. Like white supremacy is still around so that systemic/broad benefit is still there.

[-] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

I find this idea appealing on paper but I think in practice it is way too individualist and idealist.

I am white, and if tomorrow I decided that I am not a white person at all but instead my particular nationality and ethnicity, absolutely zero conditions for me would change. I would still be privileged in a court room, in an interaction with police, in a job interview, in receiving healthcare, etc. regardless of my personal feelings on my identity. I would be socially understood as white no matter what. White is a social category, not a choice. If I did decide this, absent massive societal change, I would just be denying social reality. Is that actually helpful?

I don't think it is possible to have an individual disidentification with whiteness which would mean anything to other people and to society. It's putting the cart before the horse. The concept and identity of white will disappear when the conditions that make it a meaningful distinction disappear, not when many people decide individually that they no longer belong to it.