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no they don't. anarcho-capitalists are fascists. they don't want the state gone they just want it minimal and out of the way so they can exploit whoever and whatever they want to build their own empire like a robber baron of ages ago. there is no place for capitalism in anarchy.
ancaps are not anarchists was my whole point bud. and no, the point of anarchy is not 'do whatever you want even capitalism lol'. anarchy is recognizing that power over others breeds corruption and endeavouring to flatten hierarchies as much as feasibly possible to limit it. anarchy is 'no ruler' not 'no rules lol wheeee'.
ok so you're an ancap trolling. fuck off.
everyone here is disagreeing with you about this. maybe you're just wrong. i am an anarchist. ancaps are not accepted by any other faction of anarchists and are recognized as fascists in hiding. just like libertarians are just fash who want to smoke weed, ancaps are fash who want no regulation in the way of their riches, both hide behind minimal lip service and labels. just like fascist states nk and russia hide behind their democracy label.
def an ancap troll.
According to classical anarchist political theory anarcho-capitalism is a contradiction in terms. Private property (as in a select few owning the means to production, not as in personal possessions) will lead to hierarchy and oppression.
Of course self-proclaimed anarcho-capitalists disagree with this point. They believe a free (unregulated) market would be empowering for everybody.
The literal definition in the political sense and the literal etymology are "without rulers".
It's why ancap is a contradiction
No rulers, except the ones with wealth is what ancap boils down to
Maybe a dictionary definition because dictionaries capture common understanding, which in the case of anarchism is abysmal. Good dictionaries will also list the actual meaning. But, as you said, a literal definition? That's exactly "The absence of rulers". Not the absence of order, the absence of norms, "lawlessness", that's called anomie.
And even if we here were wrong and you were right that still wouldn't matter as by your own admission we can do as we please, including using terms in ways which seem disagreeable to you. But we don't because we actually care about theory and the general intellectual integrity of things (in a material sense (in the actual meaning of material)) as without theory there's no praxis, only actionism.
In anarcho-capitalism, the person with the most money is indestinguishable from the state, they're just called something else.
And yes, i did drink paint. Mmm tasty ๐๐จ
They think abortion should be restricted by private for-profit entities. If anything, that's even worse.
They want a state to forbid it if it suits them. You don't actually believe that they're anarchists, do you?
They want to abolish the current state and install they're own feudalist state where money is the only definng factor on of something can be done
No. They're correct. AnCap is not an anarchic ideology and is just a form of re-branded neo-feudalism. There's a lot of hand-waving and arguments that intentionally avoid following threads to their logical conclusion.
Capitalism is a mandatorily hierarchical system. It literally revolves around capitalists owning the means of production and leveraging it to extract as much value from workers' labor as is possible to keep as profit. This makes it incompatible with any form of anarchism.
"AnCap" has nothing to do with anarchism and revolves around elimination of regulatory power, services, and social safety nets of the state, while preserving the state's ability to use violence to coerce workers into falling in line. State services and social safety nets are then "replaced" by dependence on the goodwill of capitalists voluntarily providing for the less fortunate. The dynamic setup by this can logically only lead to increasingly disparate distribution of wealth and power, with capitalists becoming kings and workers becoming serfs, completely dependent upon their rulers because they have no ability to economically support themselves.
If they were consistent with their beliefs then yeah, but that's a big if
"An"caps are not anarchists
Ok then you must believe that Nazis were socialists and that North Korea is a democracy. Everyone knows that if it's in the name, it must be true! And fascists like ancaps are famous for being honest and forthright, historically speaking
You don't understand what you're talking about. I see in another comment you think that anarchism is "doing whatever you want" or some ignorant childish shit like that.
You know what I think? I think you actually do know what anarchism is and that you're just an ancap-defending troll and fascist who came here to start shit. You're not wanted here, and I'm reporting you for trolling and uncivil behavior on the grounds that you've had multiple people patiently explain to you why you're wrong, and you continue to fling shit like the reactionary primate you are.
Go fuck yourself.
I nut in ya dad
Stop trolling. Shit gets named so it sounds god on the surface all the time. Like 'noLifeKing' one would assume that meant someone was against monarchy. But here you are, eager to bend the knee and suck their balls, for any ancap around... Or perhaps i misread, and the pronunciation is no-life. Which explains why you're 50 comments deep in defending an terribly ideology you claim not to support, and clearly know nothing about.
Terms have meanings indeed, but sometimes those meanings are stupid, made up, and deliberately chosen to mist the waters for whatever the actual agenda is. But seeing how some adults believe in Santa Claus or s first earth, maybe ancaps are just delusional.
Regardless, much smarter people than I have made arguments as to why "anarcho capitalism" is a misnomer. There's a while list on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Analysis_and_criticism
Ancaps: Government is bad because tyranny, we should get rid of it.
Also Ancaps: Here's how we can still enforce copyright, abortion bans, and racial segregation without a government! ๐ฅฐ
I'm pretty sure they don't exist because anarchy is incompatible with capitalism.
So is capitalism.
Nope. That's bartering. When small children want to exchange goods, they don't draw up paper to represent abstract value, they barter because it's natural, then they need to be taught how capitalism works. People bartered and exchanged goods and services for thousands of years before capitalism came along.
It's not a take, it's history. Like recorded history. My argument was for what is natural, not what is logical or better. Humans started bartering thousands of years before the invention of currency because it's the quickest and most natural way of exchanging goods. No need for insults either, we're just talking here, no need to get so hot and bothered over it.
Wrong again. Human society was around approximately 300,000 years before we invented currency, money as we know it was only really invented 5,000 years ago, so unless your argument is it took humans 300,000 years to do what came naturally to them then money isn't really natural.
You're moving the goalpost again, my argument was for what is natural, not what is practical.
Depends on the ancap. Some are actually progressive capitalists, like the Democrats but on steroids. Others are just nazis that like to jerk off to loli hentai and playing video games, but don't want the negative association with the authoritarian right, be it your grandpa conservatives or some caricature of nazis (read: a lot of people think nazi equals with people wanting to do evil things for the sake of evil).
Anarcho-capitalist president of Argentina on his way to outlaw abortion