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Your rights end where another person's rights begin. An unborn child is a person. And when you have to weigh a trolley problem when the mother's health is in life-threatening risk it's a serious thing that you have to consider. Abortion should be legal for situations where the mother's health is in literal life-threatening risk but even then it's a very serious choice.
Even if we grant you your invalid position, you are still wrong. So close. You claim the unborn person has rights, but so did the mother.
In no legal jurisdiction in the United States is one person ever required to give up their bodily autonomy for another. This the mother, according to your argument, is under no legal obligation to provide the other person, according to your argument, the mothers body for any reason. If the mother wishes to discontinue the use of her body she can. If the other person dies as a result of this decision, the mother bears no responsibility.
This is well understood case law and common law.
GTFO with this terrible argument.
It doesn't matter what the law is. Laws can and should be changed when they're unjust.
You're fundamentally radical and not living on planet Earth that you think this way about pregnancy. It's the product of a degenerate and corrupt life you've lived that has allowed you to justify unjustifiable immorality.
In other words you've burned your conscience to a crisp through your vices.
It's an abominable position you put forward. You are wholly given over to vice and darkness and sin.
Removed, rule 3.
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You should repent of your sins. And I'm not a fundamentalist in the slightest despite being Christian.
Painting everyone that disagrees with you as a fundamentalist allows you to dismiss their arguments easily but it doesn't change the arguments. You're still wrong, you've just blinded yourself to it even further by dehumanizing and dismissing your opponents.
By the way it's possible I'm wrong about your character. But I was so shocked by the revoltingness and the disgustingness of your argument that I assumed only a horrible person would make such an argument. Forgive me if I'm actually wrong and you're just erroring in judgment here. But you write as if an unborn child is a parasite on the mother with no right to survive within its mother's body.
As if the mother's actions didn't deliberately create that child. And it's not a parasite. It's a human being. Your argument that a child should be aborted because the mother doesn't want to "lend her body to it anymore", it's so disgusting and immoral, It's just sick. It literally stuns me. I'm not even sure how I can explain and prove to you that that's immoral.
You don't like being called a fundamentalist because you know they are abhorrent.
You don't like your own argument. You can't even stomach the inkling that your own hypocrisy.
You know how I know you are lying? Because your first reaction to me expanding on your argument was to tell me I am a sinner.
If you treat any of your "friends" that way you are truly a terrible person.
Are you familiar with the statistics and the science about this. You know most people that transition go on to live much happier lives. I know I have
Lol. This isn't my argument. This is your argument followed more completely.
You don't even know what my argument is or what my beliefs are. All I have done is point out your own hypocrisy.
I will abort a fetus as a sacrament to Lucifer in your honor. Thank you for your prayers.
I will absolutely dare to tell you how to live your life. And you do the same thing. It's the nature of having moral beliefs. Are you going to say the same thing to someone that rapes their children or murders refugees? Your entire personality as an activist is based around telling other people what they should do with their lives but only when a religious person is in the scenario does that suddenly become invalid.
You're a hypocrite. I am not. You should stop that. Be a better person. And quit advocating for the murder of unborn children because of inconvenience and a skewed belief on bodily autonomy that ignores literally every other factor. As if it exists in a vacuum.
Actions have consequences and I will absolutely advocate for social justice. That includes for those alive and those yet unborn.
A fetus is not a person its a collection of cells. It's not up to you to weigh any problem. It's up to the woman and their doctor.
A human is not a person it's a collection of cells.
See how ridiculously reductionist that sounds? And it's absolutely up to me because I vote and I live in a society that is a democracy. I will vote on issues that matter to me. And you can do the same. So if you want to support policies that murder inconvenient children, most of which are black by the way which is very racist of you, then that's your choice but I'm not going to support that with my vote or publically in the town square.
It is a scientific fact. Yo're going to vote to see what my daughter's future might be? I think not.
Stating that a collection of cells is not a human being is not a fact.
Human beings are indeed collections of cells.
A human being is a collection of cells with self awareness. People have varr6ing degrees of self awareness as you've displayed
So people who are in comas are no longer human beings?
What about people who are asleep?
What about people who are being put under for surgery?
I think your definition of human being is bad.
Ever hear of Terri Schivo? Brain dead, but peo0le like you decided .... neverind, it's not worth it.
I'm simply making fun of your ridiculous definition of a human being. You're arguing in bad faith so why should I try to argue back in good faith?
I don't care to argue. Fetuses are not people. A heartbeat s not life. You are not the judge of other people's medical needs unless you are a doctor which you are obviously not.
You realize this is where Democrats fundamentally disagree with you, right?
Not all Democrats, only a minority. And I'm not really a Democrat anyway I'm a Christian socialist.
It's a majority.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/05/06/wide-partisan-gaps-in-abortion-attitudes-but-opinions-in-both-parties-are-complicated/
That depends entirely on you phrase those questions. The pro-life versus pro-choice debate has wildly varying response rates based on how the questions are phrased.
True. Also depends heavily on how far along this hypothetical pregnancy is. But in general, most democrats agree, fetuses are not people, at least not until they can survive outside the womb.
Well then I disagree with most Democrats on that.
Ah, a Christian. That explains your inane comments.
Christianity is a disease
I’m not normally one to generalize because I’m content to let people do what they want so long as they don’t bother others, but modern Christianity calls its adherents to go out and pester people at best.
Please stop talking out of your ass