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[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

Wow, you’re really good at this whole propaganda thing! Any idea why China would want to distract from the real issues surrounding the Uyghurs? It wouldn’t be ethnic cleansing, would it?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It would not be, because that never happened.

Where do you think the Xinjiang terrorist attacks magically appeared from? From the United States organizing and funding them for the purposes of destabilizing China. And once their destabilization efforts failed, where did the fable of a “Uyghur genocide” come from? From CIA cut-out NGOs like the World Uyghur Congress.

The blueprint of regime change operations

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee -3 points 9 months ago

Interesting points, and I’m sure the Uyghurs I know who got asylum in the US would find your explanation of events hard to reconcile that with their own lived experience. Especially for the ones who survived “re-education” camps or who still have family members there. But you go ahead keep going with your agitprop bullshit.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't suppose you'd see how you're sampling from a very biased set?

There's no arguing that, at some point, Xinjiang's per-capita prison rate was roughly on par with that of Black Americans. I'm not going to deny that. It's a clear indicator of racial prejudice and discrimination. Are they still alive? Yes. Do they still have a unique and distinctly non-Han culture? Yes. Is that culture celebrated in the most viewed televised event in the world? Also, yes.

I'm not going to pretend that there's no racism in China, but let's not make mountains out of molehills when there's a real, tangible, documented genocide going on that the West completely ignores when Israel uses the same justification of "terrorism."

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh no the terrorists got job training, the horror.

go ahead keep going with your agitprop bullshit

Which is exactly what you are doing: going on with Five Eyes agitprop bullshit.

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