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This is only really true if they have a monopoly where it's more difficult or impossible for others to compete. Otherwise if the labourer isn't getting the full value of their labour they can go somewhere else.
When it is a buyer that has excessive market power it can be called monopsony or oligopsony.
This is framing things in terms of the pie metaphor that economists use. While that metaphor is accurate as a metaphor, it obfuscates the issues in discussions of anti-capitalism. The discussion should be about property not value. The workers in the firm don't jointly get ownership of what they produce. Instead, the employer has sole ownership violating the moral basis of property rights
At what price -- to drill and construct an oil rig for example -- would you consider it so prohibitively expensive that "somewhere else" has a hard time existing?
A million dollars? Five million dollars?
Consider that the median bank balance in America is $5,300. That is to say, half of all Americans have less than $5,300 in the bank.
What startup cost makes it difficult for others to compete?
I made sure to say more difficult not just difficult. Building an oil rig is inherently difficult because you need many different types of labor with many different skill sets. As a practical matter it's often easy for one organization to pay for this labor upfront but theoretically they could cooperate to build an oil rig and share in the returns.
If you were going to mention the rights to extract oil then that's a whole other probldm.
Let's say:
You can still build one. I still can't -- in any reasonable way -- poach whichever oil rig workers you choose to underpay. And this is true despite the fact that it's technically easier for me to build an oil rig. The only advantage you need to be above consequences for inefficient practices... is for your opponents to be too poor to afford startup costs either way.
No uneven playing field is necessary.
United States tax dollars, in the form of DARPA grants, paid for the development of the internet. So there is precedent for extremely expensive operations to be successfully carried out under democratic control.
Also, since oil deposits are a natural resource, one could argue government ought to be involved in their collection.
Lets breakdown what those costs are though.
3 is really a combination of 1 & 2 so lets exclude that. For 2 we could have a government that takes this money later. Often this is the case for a lot of these deals. A lease you can pay later and royalties are paid when you actually produce product. That really just leaves 3. If you were able to compel these workers to work for you without compensation then this "How does capitalism empower people to own what they produce?"wouldn't be true so you'd have to offer some compensation but that compensation could be equity in the form of a workers cooperative.
Is it more difficult for you to compete, sure but that's like saying it's more difficult for me to be an artist. I think we should be talking about where we are stepping on the scales for one or another.
You could government fund everything if you want. It's usually quite beneficial in things you suggest which are early stage how it would be commercial viable is pretty uncertain. But there are trade offs.
I think it's correct to say government should be collecting revenue from the natural resource but I don't think they need to specifically be the ones running it.
I should clarify I think capitalism is great but doesn't mean our implementation is perfect (and an example is privately owned land).