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No need to be passive aggressive. I think a lot of people care. If you've read my other post you'd notice I said I agree with decriminalization but believe Oregon didn't implement the law in a meaningful way. I don't know if you've lived in an area where there are homeless encampments before but drug use is often a big issue there. LA, Portland, San Francisco and Seattle, all places I've lived in have this issue. So yes, for you this may be a non issue for you but for communities that live with this problem it is a legitimate issue. What do you mean when youre advocating for full legalization? We might not even be talking about the same thing. I don't care about weed, all for legalization for that. Under no circumstances should drugs like heroin or meth be legalized. Are you saying you don't care about people who are at the highest risk for drug abuse and need the most help? That's ideally the place where rehabilitation will help the most.
Feel free to look at the statistics for drug use and homelessness here. https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/homeless
Is it the homeless encampments or the drug use that are the main problem for you? Or is it only a problem when they are combined?
Maybe depending on where you live, homeless encampments can be broken up (not making any statements now on whether that is right) without needing to attach drug charges into the situation.
Its foremost the drug issue that's a problem for me. It hurts people and communities. I bring up homelessness because from what I've seen and what studies show, its a concentrated center of abuse. Its where people have the most need for intervention. It's personal to me because I've it ruins communities.
I bring up homelessness because its relatable to what ive seen personally and can see where rehabilitation can do the most good. To me, they arent too far from each other. It sucks seeing communities struggling with suffering, needles all over the place and what amounts to people looking like zombies in the street. It's sad and ruins communities. In the link I attached there is a correlation between homelessness and drug use. Without proper treatment and intervention many will OD and their issues will go unresolved. I don't understand what you mean by casual relationship. There clearly is a correlation from what I've read. Do you have any data to prove otherwise?
I guess the crux of the issue is I just simply don't think full legalization of all drugs is a good idea. Hard drugs are bad for the community at large you can take a look at these studies https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/05/30/as-fatal-overdoses-rise-many-americans-see-drug-addiction-as-a-major-problem-in-their-community/ If you have some links to studies I'll gladly take a look at them that say otherwise.
I like the idea of harm reduction but I think that's one step of the larger approach of dealing with drug addiction.
I think you're misconstruing what I'm trying to say, however I think at this point the conversation isn't getting anywhere.
If you don't want to take a look at any of the links ive given or provide decent studies to prove your point then I don't think there's a conversation to be had here. You clearly have your own biases that you don't want to address. Agree to disagree.
Ps: Here's my first link if you change your mind. https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/homeless