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He also said that the danger posed by another Trump term doesn’t excuse Biden from scrutiny but “actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.”

To leftists and progressives fed up with Biden, particularly his commitment to Israel as it continues to bomb civilians in Gaza, the assessment was not just fair — it was obvious. But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended “Blue Wave” and “Resistance” labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.

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[-] doctortofu@reddthat.com 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yes, betrayal - because the US devolved so much into tribalism, that any critique of "their own", no matter if justified or not, is a betrayal and taboo.

You see, our side can do no wrong and is perfect. It's their side that's wrong, always. We're the good guys, and they're the bad guys - how could Jon betray the only side that's good, noble and completely faultless? That clearly means he's with them and not with us, because nuance is a foreign loan word that we don't need, and everything is black and white!

Fucking sad and depressing - glad I get to look at it from the outside, but still...

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm not American but I can see why the left going after Biden now is not a good idea. It's just gonna lead to a Trump win. I hate Biden, the guy has blood on his hands from his constant support of the drug war. But you should have thought of that before. Either back him now, and get a better candidate going. Or go after Biden now and lose to Trump. And then you'll get nothing done.

Biden should never have been the Democrats pick, Clinton either, but it's too late for all that now.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

what happened to "it's ok if bernie doesn't win you just gotta vote for biden and push him left when he's in office" because this is not that.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

They lied to us. They we're never going to let us even try to push.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

The Inflation Reduction Act did turn out to be the most leftist climate policy in history, and it was so potent that it forced European countries to adopt similar policies too. That's probably the best example of Biden being pushed left.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Leftist means a fundamental restructuring of ownership over the economy and means of production. 'Not destroying the planet' is not a leftist position, it's simply a position common among leftists because we dont want our kids to die. Shows how far the overton window has been pushed right when things like fixing bridges that are decades out of spec and trying to not kill the planet is considered leftist.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

That definition of leftist is outdated, frankly. In the modern day there's a whole lot more associated with it.

I would posit actually that the original definition is solely economic because at the time political thinkers and economists were solely men, and not interested in minorities and women's rights.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To a republican leftism is anything they don't like. That doesn't make it true simply because half the country says it. That word has meaning, the overton window is being pushed to convince you it does not.

Let's extrapolate, lets say not killing the planet is a leftist position, what's the democrat position then? Only kill a little of the planet?

[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

No no no. You see, Union Buster Biden actually is the progressive champion and you're a Russian bot for saying otherwise

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

Tbf apparently he kept working with them after that and got them what they wanted.

Still supporting baby killers though

[-] ULS@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's fucked. Life's fucked. I'm fucked. You're fucked. Everything's fucked. It's fucked to the point it can't be unfucked. It's completely, and thoroughly fucked.

[-] TakiMinase@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago
[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Until it isn't.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago

He basically helped create the current atmosphere during his tenure on the daily show. It's poetic justice I suppose.

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