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I am unable to visit Japan.
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As an autist who studied Japanese and gave up when I realized I just couldn't connect with any of the Japanese people I met - even the ones where it was obvious we wanted to be friends - I can assure you the culture is even more impenetrable for autistics. And I don't have such issues with other autistic people usually, no matter the culture.
Don't mistake your stereotypes for reality and tell everyone people call you out because of political correctness. You're just plain old wrong in this.
Nice, now one is using his anecdotal experience to try and counter studies that says the trend is exactly the opposite.
Also, "I'm autistic" = appeal to authority, so you just said a bunch of worthless things.
Advice : Stop here, it will lead nowhere.
Link to those studies?
Edit: me being autistic make everything I say useless? Really?
I really admire your ability to mental gymnastics. No matter what anybody says, you always find a way to tell them their opinion doesn't matter. Must be nice to be so secure in your own superiority that nothing can convince you otherwise.
A simple Google search of the two keywords will tell you everything you need to know.
I explicitly explained why, if you're too dumb to Google or understand what's an appeal to authority, it's not on me, it's on you for trying to start dumb point based on your anecdotal experience.
Ps : unlike many here, I'm not about being right or any superiority, I very early said in another comment, I'd like to discuss about this but seeing the plethora of downvotes I got I didn't even wanna bother. Most people can't even conceive that a term can be applied to something when the definition fits (and it does), then there's you dumb enough to think I said Autistic people have an easier time there (I just said it's an autistic culture, that's absolutely not the same thing), or even funnier is the guy that went on an history diatribe on the origin of Japan, while explaining the origin doesn't change what I simply stated. And I explicitly told that person that I wouldn't engage, but they still get surprised and try to high road me when I don't properly engage. But I'm the one about superiority, go figure rofl.
No it actually doesn’t.
Please provide some form of authoritative or even scholarly source for who the “they” it’s that called it that.
Answering to the wrong comment and moving the goal post
Is this a new Philo account? lol
I hope not, people interested in philosophy usually understand at least the basic essentials of rhetoric.
It honestly appears that this fellow seems to think that wisdom is derived from the use of confusing syntax. Half of his rebuttals to me were written like they came from a Toaist with a brain injury, or maybe yoda with Alzheimer's.
Philo was/is a user here on lemmy that argues in bad faith in a similar (although a little more cogently) way.
Ahh.....Maybe they had a stroke, and are making an attempt of a comeback?
If you want to convince people it's up to you to bring the evidence. I'm not doing your work for you.
Besides, there have been studies shoing that autistics among themselves don't have the same communication breakdown as they do when interacting with neurotypicals. So if Japan was truly an autistic culture it should be easier for autistic people, but it's not.
Besides, I'm very curious to see how you are going to apply diagnostic criteria for a neurodivergence to a culture. Like, how do you even begin? Is the culture averse to bright lights? Loud sounds? Does the culture go into hyperfocus moments? Does it suffer from PDA?
The only way you could do this is if you were to take stereotypes about how autistic people behave and try to somehow match them to cultural traits.
Yeah this dude probably has been in the parts of the internet where that language is typical and now thinks their usage of the word applies.
Which explains why they just deflect when asked for literally any source for what they’re saying.
Can you read ? I said I don't want to convince people. I know when I can have an conversation, and when it's not gonna be possible. So far every answers but one proved me right in that regard.
You're missing the entire point that their culture is autistic, not the people. And then you're trying to lend exclusively humans traits to a culture, in bad faith or stupidity, your choice.
I'm done here, this isn't gonna lead anywhere and I already wasted way too much time on people that would rather be right or offended, than trying to talk and understand the actual point of view conveyed.
Have fun thinking you won, or that I'm a bigot, your pick, just remember I couldn't care less.
Yeah, you very clearly think you’re the most right in every interaction. You’re being downvoted because people think you’re not only wrong, but hateful and shitty about it at the same time.
Rather than address the fact that you MIGHT not be the ultimate paragon of authority on every topic you grace with your presence, you’re choosing to disengage completely.
You don’t care about wining so hard that you’re taking your ball and going home because people disagreed with you. All you care about is discussion, and that’s why you’re completely unwilling to hear any points other than your own.
Is calling an entire culture autustic NOT ascribing exclusively human traits to a culture? Did I miss the part in geography where entire countries can be diagnosed with HUMAN MEDICAL CONDITIONS? Rules for thee, none for me!
In your case it’s both.
You're doing the exact same shit, have fun
Nah doing the same thing would be claiming that France's culture is afflicted with narcissistic personality disorder.
French culture is entirely based on an unreasonably high sense of it's own importance. It needs and seeks too much attention and wants other cultures to admire them. Cultures with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the cultures of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, their culture is not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism.
You're French, right?
You both are sad to see. I'll legit stop answering because of how damaging it is to see that.
That's okay, I hear having a fragile ego is actually part of French culture. You know with French culture being diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder and all that.
I hope you guys really get some help.
All I’ve done is call your ass out.
Have fun running away from every thread that threatens your fragile worldviews.
https://lemmy.world/comment/7616005
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But also?
So you don't care about being right or "superiority", yet down votes upset you. And you don't care about being right, or trying to convince people, yet you keep making unsubstantiated claims that attempt to address people's rebuttals.
That's not what that person was claiming. They were stating that if Japan was truly an "autistic culture", actual autistic people living within that culture would have an easier time socially integrating with the society. Since this is not reflected among autistic populations in Japan, then it weighs against your original claim.
Lol, that was me. And it appears you still don't understand the importance of the context. Your claim was that Japan was culturally autistic, and extrapolated that this was due to their self imposed period of cultural isolation.
My rebuttal was that Japan is not "culturally autistic", but that the cultural irregularities you spoke of were the inevitable results of a rapid transition to the fascist imperialism that took place during the Meijji restoration.
No, you kept making claims without any supporting evidence. Your entire mode of discourse is constructed from a logical fallacy. You really need to look up "Appeal to the Stone
Lol, anecdotal evidence is still evidence. It's not weighted as highly as other forms of evidence, but it's surely better than no evidence. Which is all you have offered.
Also, claiming to possess or witness evidence that you do not substantiate is also considered anecdotal.
You keep misunderstanding what an "appeal to authority" is, and it's becoming more sad than funny. "an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of argument in which the opinion of an influential figure is used as evidence to support an argument.[1]"
So unless you believe op to be a highly influential person..... You are talking out of your ass.
If they were made a hasty generalization based on their personal experience, then it could be considered "an argument from anecdote" which is an informal logical fallacy. Meaning, that it is not not incorrect due to logical form, but may still be inaccurate.
Anecdotal evidence utilized within reason is just called a testimonial, and is utilized in legal and informal discourse regularly.
Something your parents apparently had to tell your teachers a lot?