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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

here are some hyper-polluting individuals:

  • the Rolling Stones’ Boeing 767 (5,046 tonnes of CO2)
  • Lawrence Stroll (1,512 flights)
  • Thirty-nine jets linked to 30 Russian oligarchs – (30,701 tonnes of CO2)

relevant quote:

But I will say this, a movement can't get along without a devil, and across the whole political spectrum there is a misogynistic tendency to choose a female devil, whether it's Anita Bryant, Hillary Clinton, Marie Antoinette, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or J.K. Rowling [or Taylor Swift]. And there's always gonna be people who seize on any opportunity to be misogynistic. So I would advise trans people and our allies [or environmentalists] to keep in mind, that J.K. Rowling [Taylor Swift] is not the final boss of transphobia [anti-environmentalism]. She's not our devil. The devil is the Republican Party, the Conservative Party.

Natalie Wynn (emphasis and bracket text mine)

edit: if you can’t respond to this without using the c*nt expletive it is not helping your case lmao. mods are we okay with this? in any case, please don’t feed the trolls.

edit 2/FAQ: “but why did she threaten legal action against that college kid though?” still shitty, but refer to this comment for a good explanation of the context behind that decision.

She only threatened legal action since those memes started before when her flight movements got the attention of the right in an attempt to make her less credible of a voice speaking out against trump. And knowing how batshit insane trump cultists can be and how she’s basically the single most hated person of his base I’m not surprised that she feared for her security. Those records were public for years but the legal action only happened after someone created that meme and even fox news suddenly cared about plane emissions…

and another good comment

[…] For Swift, this is legitimate fear. I don't know if you've ever experienced actual fear for your life, but it's crippling, and it effects your psyche. To experience that on a daily basis because of an app? You bet your goddamn ass I'm going to talk to my lawyers about what my options are.

sources/timeline for the above:

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, criticizing the Rolling Stones in 2024 is totally equivalent to criticizing Taylor Swift, yeah let's pivot right to that. Ignore the fact that she's arguably the most popular musician on earth right now, just played a major cultural event, and all recent events.... no, let's go back to a washed up classic rock band and meme on them instead. Yeah, that'll work.

Fucking Swifties dude.....

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

honestly, for me personally? the fact a “washed up classic rock band,” as you put it, is outputting more CO2 than an actually-relevant Swift? that’s a huge difference and reason to be all the more critical of The Rolling Stones. like what are they even doing all that for lol.

i criticize both and defend neither.

[-] kernelle@0d.gs 27 points 9 months ago

Yeah it sucks they seem to get a free pass, there certainly is an element of truth in this post. However, I still think the post is fighting the wrong battle. Memes will pass and Swift has certainly caused this shitstorm herself by threatening to sue a regular joe over public accessible information.

It's a general accepted truth rich people and companies have been spewing the majority of CO2 emissions, and this post is just a whole load of "whataboutisms".

I genuinely can't believe I'm the first one to actively press the downvote button on this post, what a load of bullshit.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 11 points 9 months ago

this instance has downvotes disabled which is why you are seeing as though you are the first to downvote.

i hear and understand your position, and fear not you are not alone in your opinion :)

[-] kernelle@0d.gs 3 points 9 months ago

Oh that didn't occur to me, I retract the last part of my comment!

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

I only know Taylor Swift from Americans talking about her. Presumably she's "the biggest in the world" just like the Superbowl is the biggest TV or sports event in the world, which it isn't.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

I'm just speaking to how she recently set a world record

[-] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 3 points 9 months ago

The Rolling Stones have become the first act to reach the top 10 in the United States with new albums in every decade since the 1960s.

They may be decrepit, but they're still massively popular. Just not so much among young people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67283429

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