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Same with Alcohol for those points you listed.
And the alcohol providers are legally responsible for checking the age of the people they sell it to and can face fines if they don't.
That's the crux of the issue, if you provide age restricted material anywhere outside the internet you can lose your right to sell it if you don't make sure people aren't underage and now there's Canadian companies that face no consequences for doing so because they operate on the web.
Fake IDs though, have always been a thing. Banning / Age restriction does not work with the Internet.
Ah yes, the ol' "we shouldn't try to control access to something because there's illegal methods to avoid it." Why even bother requiring ID for gun/alcohol/tobacco sales when you can just get someone else to buy them for you?
What a silly argument.
Because fake ID for booze ( at least in BC ) is hard to fake and not downloadable to your phone. Somebody coyld buy you a bottpe, the same with a using anothers internet ID. i'm not saying don't try something, I'm saying don't expect a result from age block, because a teen can download VPN/Tor in 30 seconds amd bypass it all. The lawmakers may not understand that
I'm sure they do, they may not understand the technical details, but I'm not sure why you think people who make rules or pass laws would think the rules or laws won't be broken or circumvented. It's a law, not some magical contract. If your parents say "no Xbox until you've finished your homework", they're not amazed when they find you on the Xbox 20 minutes later, homework unfinished.
It's been illegal to sell alcohol and porn to minors for decades now, do you think before the internet and VHS it was impossible for kids to find? Do you think the lawmakers back then were somehow baffled that the law they put in place, didn't 100% prevent children from drinking and stiffening their socks?
Some people thing the bans stop accesa, but it doesn't. that was my whole point of the initial comment. Just like Prohibition of Alcohol made no difference for those wanting access. But crusaders think this will save yhe kids. Parenting and knowledge of objectification is a better path for saving the kids
So we should do nothing and let people in their early teens see women choke on a dick while getting one up the ass and just say "What can we do? Some of them will get a fake ID! We can't make the providers take responsibility can we?"
We.can teach our youth the dangers of objectification. blocking one site out of millions doesn't stop access to porn. And if it is not age restricted in another country our youth are tech savvy enough to connect to a vpn or tor with an exit node in the countries that don't care. Prohibition does nothing other than making the item get pushed underground. They might even go back to peer to peer sharing like early computer days
You take control of what you can take control of. Fake IDs aren't new, bars still need to ask for one. Canadian porn sites need to obey Canadian laws.
Also, our youth is so bad with tech that it doesn't know how to use a computer when it reaches university, the tech genius generation was the late X and the millennials and they're all over 18.
You don't need to be tech literate for a vpn or tor app. Download it from playstore / apple store and click connect.
I fear internet ID is coming whether we like it or not. AI powered bots will pass all captchas and be indistinguishable from humans. The open, pseudonymous internet cannot survive under those conditions. You could spend all day without seeing a comment by a real human.
Have you been playing on Reddit again?
But even that will be spoofed. its going to be a shitshow of garbage
Governments already have systems to handle citizen IDs. They're not perfect, and fake ones do get created, but they're good enough. All that is needed is to connect that system to a UBI key or other device. Then websites could use cryptographic tools (signatures, ZK-SNARKS, etc) to verify that someone is over 18 without revealing their identity
Yes we have it already in BC, it is useful for proving ID for Provincial services or CRA login. However UBI for general internet also becomes dangerous should the elected government decide they don't want trans kids exposed to trans info, or want to limit access to other news for the population.