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It sounds simple, but look at Fascism. Their ideological framing of the enemy as both everywhere and all powerful, but also week and feeble, makes them incapable of assessing what's really happening.
Or that bit where it says - If you're surrounded, with no way out, you must fight? The liberals are begging anyone to save them from having to fight. They're up against a wall with no where to go except through the enemy, and they're preying to a senile, evil old man to save them.
It all sounds simple on the page, but then you look at how people actually behave.
The only thing I'd say about that is it seems like it's working out just fine for the fascists but like you said in your second point that wouldn't be possible if the libs opposing them didn't think that actually opposing them was a moral failure.
Hitler lost WW2.
I meant the modern day fascists. There were fascists openly flying swastika flags at a state capitol this week.
At a certain point the contradictions become too much to overcome and they have to face reality but the entirety of American society is working hard to make sure people don't see those contradictions.
Unfortunately there isn't a far superior communist country forcing us to address those contradictions like in historical examples.
How is it working "just fine" for fascists? Fascists consistently fail to win wars and achieve their goals in a lasting way because they are ideologically limited from accurately assessing the strength of themselves and their enemies.
Consider how Ukraine, a fascist country that receives massive material support cannot defeat Russia, a country that receives no material support and has an economy the size of Italy.
Consider how Israel, a fascist country that receives massive material support has failed for over 80 years to achieve its long term goals of normalizing its relations with its neighbors and to eradicate the Palestinians.
These two fascist states are strong on paper but weak in reality. Their fascist ideology prohibits them from accurately assessing the strength of themselves and their enemies, and this leads them to act as if they are in a position of strength even when they are in a position of weakness.
Not engaging in the rest of this debate, but this is misleading. If you just look at GDP, that's true, but if you look at GDP PPP (purchasing power parity), it's the §th economy of the world, right after Germany. PPP means that you don't just translate roebels into dollars, but that you check what you can actually buy with it.
Again I'm talking about the current wave of fascism in America.
They are constantly doing whatever they want and the strongest opposition is democrats saying they can't do that, then the fascists tell them to suck they're balls and the dems shrug and say "aw shucks fine"
They control 2/3rds of the federal government while the other 1/3rd lectures us about how they can't do anything about it.
A bunch of them flew swastika flags over a state capital with no reourcussions last week.
A state just outlawed ivf because Jesus said that frozen embryos are humans.
We just vetoed a resolution to stop doing a genocide.
The presidential election is between a proud self avowed fascists and a meek self ashamed fascist.
And waiting for the fascists to defeat themselves when the contradictions become untenable has been the dems strategy for at least 2 decades at this point.
How are they not?
I really hate people like you who point to a few fascist victories and then proclaim that communism is over and that the future of mankind is eternal face-stomping under the fascist boot.
All Fascist Victories Are Temporary.
I don't give a shit about your thousand-week Reich. It will not last. Fascist victories do not last.
Abortion is banned - this will not last.
Israel still exists - this will not last.
Just because you are on your back foot doesn't mean that you have lost the fight. You are like those people who abandoned communism and became fucking liberals after the fall of the USSR.
A few idiots waving swastikas at the American capitol doesn't mean that communism is over. Tens of millions of Germans waved swastikas a century ago, and Hitler lost.
Fascist victories do not last.
A man falling off a cliff isn't "doing fine" as long as he hasn't hit the ground yet. He has stopped doing fine as soon as he stepped off the cliff.
I can't help but be stunned when you confidently proclaimed that fascism has won just because a few idiots waved flags at the American capitol. It's fucking over guys. Some idiots waved some swastikas. It's fucking over.
As a side note, I really hate when Americans (you) use "we" when referring to Americans. Who is we? I am not American. The rest of the world exists; most of the world is not America.
Seriously, the imperialists are paper tigers. Your oppressors aren't infallible. The Algerian war of independence expelled and killed all the French settlers. Soon, the same will happen to Israel. Half a million Israeli settlers have already fled the country. Fascist victories are temporary.
“We” is fine sometimes as in “I speak for the people of my country when I say” but this user’s use is strange. “We” did not vetoe it, the state did.
Hey congratulations you continuously insisting that the rising fascism in the america isn't anything to worry about puts you in ideological lockstep with the liberals.
It's just I've watched them be wrong about literally everything for my entire life and haven't really seen any evidence that's suddenly going to change for no reason.
Maybe if you aren't from America don't get so bent out of shape when somebody who is from there say that yes, the completely unopposed ascendancy of fascism in the countrybwith the world's biggest military is no big deal.
Tell that to the 15000 dead Palestinian children that 80% of this country agrees deserved it.
You need to cite sources. Everything I have seen says that support for Israel has never been lower.
Palestine will win regardless of whether America supports it or not.
Yea before now it was at about 98% so your right it never has been higher.
Ok I guess everything's great and Palestine is doing just fine thanks for the education lesson.
Edit: looked it up it's "only" 70% not 80% that think we're either doing the right amount or not enough to fund Isreals genocide
https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx
Where are your sources? Everything I've seen says that support for Israel has never been lower. The young people are appalled at Israel's genocide. It is now normal and mainstream to speak out against Israel and its genocide.
Just linked it.
Gallup polling says 70% of Americans think we're doing the right amount or not enough.
And of those that think we're doing too much it's all liberals who are going to vote for Biden regardless or the literal fascists you keep telling me not to worry about.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx
literally the fucking headline: "Americans Back Israel's Military Action in Gaza by 50% to 45%"
https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx
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Maybe try reading more than the first paragraph.
"The largest segment of Americans, 42%, say the U.S. is providing about the right amount of military aid to Israel, and another 25% say the U.S. is not doing enough, totaling 67% who endorse at least the current level of military aid to Israel."
It doesn't really matter if they say they oppose it in one question if in the next question of "should we reduce funding" 70% say no.
Am I really going to have to explain why material actions are more important than empty political platitudes to a proclaimed communist?
how is any of this relevant
"I don't support what Isreal is doing but we should keep giving them the same amount or more funding and support" actually worked on you?
You must be so fucking stoked when liberals tell you they'd love to do something but there's nothing they can do huh.
Gonna break it off here since you're literally arguing that words are more important than actions.
I just took a poll and 100% of respondants agreed I was right so check and mate I guess since opinions are more important than what actually happens.
I don't understand how any of this is relevant to whether fascists are "doing fine" or not. If you don't believe communism will win, why do you even bother being a communist?
Also, I don't get how, even assuming that Americans are 102% in support of Israel (which they are not), this means that it's over for Palestine. The fate of the Palestinians will not be determined by popular opinion of Americans. The Palestinians themselves will determine their own fate.
I don't care about what random fucking Americans think. They do not determine the fate of the world.
Communism will win. Palestine will win. Israel will fall, regardless of how much Americans love it.
I think you've lost the plot. What were you trying to argue again?
Libs are the ones saying the only thing that matters in the world is trump being bad who fits their definition of fascist. In reality liberalism isn't that far from fascism, so it's not a big deal the difference between the parties and idealogies.