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Supreme Court prepares to kill same sex marriage in America
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God I'm tired of this backwards ass country. His entire argument is "Christian snowflakes got their feelings hurt when they were called bigots for being against gay marriage".
Maybe because they were bigots for being against gay marriage?
Sorry their feelings got hurt, so this entire group of people can't have rights anymore.
Personally I am increasingly uncomfortable feeling the "need" to apologize to regressive people about feeling hurt or insulted. They are entirely responsible for their actions.
They are also not sorry that they are pushing the majority of people (women, LGBTQ+, basically anything non-cis-white-men) into a second class or even subhuman status.
I realize that most people are only open to changing themselves when their feelings are not threatened and when they're feeling understood. But what we're talking about here, I don't know the right word, but "accidental" or "unintentional" are not part of it. If regressive leaders like trump or desantis or whoever get elected then we're talking about borderline genocide done on purpose. I don't see how we can come back to acknowledging the feelings of bigots at that point.
This country gets more frustrating when you realize that most of the issues we face right now are (at their root) because most americans have no ability to self reflect on themselves.
If Americans could self reflect on any of those we would be a very different country.
100%. Honestly after growing up borderline right-wing, self-reflection was one of my main tools for personal and political deconstruction. That and good parents. Anyway, very little stood the test of "why am I doing this, and is it what I really want" when I stopped and looked more than 3 feet in front of my own dumb face. That and realizing I'm hopelessly queer lol.
Of course, self-reflection opens the door to a whole lot more than just politics. I get the sense that, if they started self-reflecting without guidance, the first thing they'd be scrambling for answers about would be why they believe in whatever random religion they were born into. There's a whole lot of fervent people that are one solid reflection away from crying over a toilet on a Monday at 3AM because they'd accidentally deconstructed their faith and can't ctrl-z the issue (not a joke, just an observation/personal experience).
Yeah when most religion and deeply held beliefs fall apart real quick when the reason for why they're held is "because my parents believed it". Younger generations who are still republican usually start to realize they aren't when asked "why are you republican" and all they can do is spout stuff their parents say. Which is why the best way to help counter their beliefs isn't to say "it's stupid" or "you're wrong", but to instead keep asking questions. "Why do you think that?" "Why do you think marriage should only be between a man and a woman?" "Why do you believe the bible claims that?" Keep asking whys and maybe they'll start thinking
Yes, the Socratic method
The "I'm so sorry your feelings are hurt" non-apology is always an option. It sounds like an apology, but it basically means "I'm sorry you suck" rather than apologising for doing something wrong. In most contexts, it's an asshole thing to do because it's a refusal to acknowledge that someone has a good reason to be hurt. When dealing with bigots, "I'm sorry you suck" is perhaps the most appropriate response.
Yeah, fuck ‘em. Don’t apologize.
In addition to what you’ve mentioned, don’t forget it’s the same groups of people who want to give guns more rights than women/people of color/LGBTQ+. After reading things like this… you realize you shouldn’t be apologizing because these people don’t give a shit.
I think it more proves that no matter what founding fathers or any noble people come up with, there will always be people who corrupt those noble goals and twist them. Supreme Court was supposed to be uncorruptible. They get their position for life so they never have to worry about reelections, just do what is right for the country.
Founding fathers never thought the nominations would be bastardized around elections, or that bribery would sway judges so high up. Power always corrupts
Interestingly the supreme Court has always been super political, dating back to the early 1800s when they were just some dudes riding horses around the country to make appeals decisions and then meeting in some random building in New York.
Check out the way, especially early on, Congress would pack the courts and cut seats when they didn't politically align with presidents. They did this because the court was making partisan political decisions and they didn't want the president to be able to dictate who was making those political decisions.
Or in the early 1810s when the court mysteriously started supporting business interests in pretty blatant ways.
The way they differ today is that they have more sway (sometimes people would just ignore rulings) and there's no legislation being done by Congress to actually shape law, so the supreme Court is doing all the legislating for them.
Look up the Throughline podcast from NPR if you're a podcast person, they have done a couple very potable episodes on the supreme court. One on how they came to be this way, and the other on the shadow docket (which is integral to how they came to be this way).
"Gaining power never makes people become better people." --Asher Elijah