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[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 82 points 8 months ago

POSIWID is one of the most important concepts when discussing the state of the world on basically any topic. You will still run into people who insist on believing things that aren’t true at all, but it’s a good starting point with someone who acknowledges the reality of a situation but can’t get over the idea that “there must be something wrong with the system, it’s not supposed to do that.”

No, it’s not supposed to do that, but it is, and it will continue to do so unless we do something about it.

[-] asg101@hexbear.net 46 points 8 months ago

No, it’s not supposed to do that,

The U.S. system was designed to keep the oligarchy in power, it is still functioning as designed.>

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

The utility in POSIWID is that you don't have to get lost in the discussion about what a system is supposed to do or was originally designed to do. If you're telling someone "the US was intended to be a property-owning oligarchy from the beginning" then you are correct, but they can argue with you about intention and changes over time and blah blah blah. If you start from describing it a as it currently exists, then you don't need to talk about intention or political parties or the current SCOTUS judges or whatever. You can point out that it is a property-owning oligarchy, and the various processes that make up the system are producing that outcome.

It's a way to short-circuit normative arguments and jump to the descriptive. It's important sometimes to point out the history and context of a given system so that it's clear why there's a disconnect between what a system does vs what people think it's supposed to do, but other times you just want to get to the point that a system isn't doing what people think it should do because it's not designed to do it, no matter what changes you make to the variables or who you designate to run the system. A lot of people like to talk about broken systems vs bad systems vs "this system just needs the right people running it" and POSIWID is a way to cut through all that and talk about the fact that the system is the system. If it's doing a thing, it's because that's what it does.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

To me, the point of this is that what the U.S. was designed to do isn't nearly as important as what it actually does. We don't need to argue about intentions if the results are clear enough.

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