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[-] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 8 months ago

I’d even be content with the early 2000s progressive Putin. But we don’t operate in the world in our dreams just in the world we have.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 8 months ago

Early 2000’s Putin also wanted to join NATO…

[-] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Russia in NATO would’ve taken power away from the US, which is why they didn’t agree to it. Right now Turkey is the only controversial ally that they need to keep in their good graces because the US needs them. Had Russia joined, the US would have to appease Russia’s desires in the region… a region in which many West Asian and North African (or “Middle Eastern), border Russia.

The US would’ve never chosen that option. The US doesn’t build strategic alliances or negotiate win/win deals… it’s all about bullying nations by sheer force.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 8 months ago

That’s true. It probably would’ve been good for capitalism, but the Empire had a lose lose situation, and of course they’re going to pick the more openly violent and antagonistic path.

[-] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Honestly, for those reasons I'm glad things proceeded the way they did (though the infinitely preferable outcome would have been the Soviet Union never falling to such revisionist, liberal, imperialist-aspirant nonsense in the first place). It's often come to mind just how horrifying it would have been, if Russia had been allowed into NATO.

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