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17 million is a larger number than 30,000.
That doesn't make what the Israelis are doing excusable or any less of a crime. It does mean what they're doing isn't on the same scale as the Nazis.
There have been larger genocides. Nazis are only at the forefront because they were the only ones to industrialize genocide. The intent and rhetoric of Israel is directly comparable though.
Since the six days war? Nah
The Nazis killed more people out of more people over a larger period of time. In Gaza at least 30000 people have been killed, and that at least is doing a lot of heavy lifting, in less than five months. There are also at least 60000 wounded, again at least. Now remember that all of Gaza has 2.5 million people. Leave Israel for four years and in relative terms they'll be about as bad as what the Nazis did.
30,000/2.4 million (population of Gaza) = 1.25%
6 million Jews / 9.5 million pre-war European Jewish population = 63%
Operation Rheinhard:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aau7292
1.25/9.5 = 13.6% of the Jewish population in Europe in 100 days.
I get people are angry and why people make the comparison, but it's quite easy to debunk that it was on a similar scale to what the Nazis did. The numbers don't lie.
Nazi/Holocaust comparisons undermine any criticism you make of Israel, because what they did is so clearly on a different scale. If you want to win the argument, it's better to avoid these hyperbolic comparisons.
Okay good point. I guess I underestimated the Nazis.
Where are you getting 17? 6 million Jews, and 5 million “others” is what I found.
Are you counting war casualties?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims