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You killed countless numbers of babies by refusing medical care and insisting that prayer would heal them. You killed and tortured hundreds of thousands just for existing as they were born.
You claim I want to kill billions, but you already have.
I'm sorry and I'm not defending the actions of people who believe in chriatianity by saying this but, you cant blame the actions of a large group of people on one individual. You really need to look in the mirror. Much of the things you've said are abominable. Yes the things that christians advocate are also abominable, but you really need to take a step back and look at your own beliefs. Or perhaps ive misunderstood what you've typed. If that's the case, i think you need to learn to word things less accusatory and ask more questions. Accusing someone will only put them on the defensive, and the conversation will stop there. You are putting the sins of the many, many different people and diverse beliefs on to one person that may disagree with some of them. I also dislike christianity but there is a big difference between a person and an ideology.
But here's the thing: hundred of years have been spent trying to reason with them. Now they are in political power and actively killing and persecuting others...AGAIN. I do not give a single one of them that wiggle room any more, and you shouldnt either. If they're going to insist that they're persecuted REGARDLESS of reality, then time to fucking persecute them. Give them their self-fulfilling prophesy. It's literally what they want.
This shows me how radicalized you may be. 2 wrongs do NOT make a right. Yes, there are some people who have radicalized hard into their religion to the point of zealotry. If you do the same, you'll fall into similar pitfalls. The radicalized people who are gaining political power do need to be stopped, i agree. However, you can not assume that all religious people believe the same as the radicals. There are a huge number of people you would persecute that would agree with you politically but disagree with you on the notion of god. You are falling into the same evils you seek to destroy. If you fight fire with fire, you'll see everything burn. If you claim to be morally superior, don't commit the same crimes as the accused.
That sounds wonderful in ideal and on paper but the reality is that the zealotry and the recurring ensuing violence cannot be stopped by simply saying "not ALL believers!..."
I do not understand why religious evil is protected but defensive action is not.
And let's be realistic here: zealotry, whether its religious or ideological, will always happen. My point is that you shouldn't punish the many for the crimes of the few.
You mean like Christians do?
So dont be like them! That is the point!
Defensive action is justified. But not when it affects the bystanders who did no wrong.
What are you on about?
Literal christian actions and beliefs
I didn't do that, and it's not a belief to Christianity. It's human evil doing that through so-called "Christians"
Still christianity, mr. No True Scotsman
No, because Christianity has a solid document: The Bible. If the Bible forbids something, and someone does it, it's clearly not Christianity.
The Bible doesn't forbid it, and it isn't a solid document in any definition
Matthew 18:6 ESV but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
You cannot use the Bible to defend Christianity. The fact that the Bible can be used in interpreted for so many different denominations, factions, colts, and even entirely opposing religions is proof in and of itself that God doesn't exist, there is no truth in the bible, and it is an utterly failed document.
Entirely opposing religions? Huh? Basically every Christian denomination agrees on 95% of things. The Bible doesn't proscribe how to practice Christianity exactly, and the differences are small things such as age of baptism, real presence, etc. I don't identify with a particular denomination, I regularly attend services across different denominations and have no qualms about doing so. By definition I am a Protestant as I am not a member of the Roman Catholic church or an Eastern Orthodox one. But I have nothing against visiting them except from them not offering me communion due to ecclesialism which was basically instituted by dead byzantine/roman empires.
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism do not agree any anything, and in fact kill each other all based on the same texts.
You people always say " it's not the religion, it's man's interpretation!!". That means IT'S THE RELIGION.
They don't have the same texts. They share the Pentateuch, Psalms, some prophecies about Jesus and that's it. Judaism has the Talmud, Christianity has the New Testament and Islam has the Qur'an and various Hadiths, and claim the New Testament is corrupted
And you have successfully made my point for me