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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And they aren’t regular people.

They are the leadership of the movement. The people that the "regular people" listen to when developing their views and understandings of the policies at hand.

You can't decouple Ken Paxton from the political movement that champions him.

Previously, when people thought of religious politicians they didn’t think of Republicans. Jimmy Carter was a textbook religious politician.

Jimmy Carter hasn't been on anyone's ballot in over 40 years. We have two full generations of voters who are utterly uninformed of his politics.

None of these right-wing "moderate" abortion opponents are crusading to expand Medicaid or public housing or provide any kind of state funded pre-natal care.

Religious figures had featured prominently in the Civil Rights movement.

At which point the state agents - themselves prominent in their religious communities - arrested, abused, and ultimately killed many of them.

The modern civil rights movement has been hollowed out by decades of intrusive surveillance (famously, the Bush Administration had the NSA and FBI spying on The Quaker Communities of Pensylvania), illegal detentions (anti-terror laws used to round up "Cop City" protest church groups in Georgia), and financial coersion (state funded lawsuits seeking to bankrupt Planned Parenthood).

It’s actually something that quietly terrified Republicans when Roe was overturned.

That's absolute horseshit. The GOP movement organizers used the downfall of Roe as a validation of their entire political strategy. Its the liberals who have been terrified, both at the brazenness of the courts to overturn such a historical standard and at the powerlessness of their own representatives to push back in any meaningful way.

I have friends and relatives who are afraid to visit anti-abortion states, entirely thanks to the slew of news stores about women dying in hospitals from paranoid staff. My own sister has scuttled her plans to move back home, because she wants to have another child and can't risk getting pregnant in Houston.

That's what we're squaring up against in the modern moment. Not some polite disagreement between well-meaning neighbors.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I'm assuming you, like me, vote Democrat.

So you agree with Biden supporting genocide in Gaza? He's the leader of the Democratic party, so by your logic every single thing he does is 100% in line with the morals and goals of everyone who votes for him.

It's possible to vote for someone when you don't support everything they do. That's the entire platform of the GOP. Pick a few single-issue voter groups, cater to them partially on those specific issues and use that guaranteed vote to torpedo everything else.

Many pro-life voters desperately want to expand Medicare, but the party that caters to them does not, so they vote pro-life. The hypocrites are the party leadership who uses their devotion to a cause as a tool against them.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I’m assuming you, like me, vote Democrat.

If only. That party is also choke full of pro-lifers. The President has been a vocal advocate of restricting abortion since his early Senate days.

So you agree with Biden supporting genocide in Gaza?

??? No. Why would I agree with him on that?

It’s possible to vote for someone when you don’t support everything they do.

Its surprisingly difficult to vote for someone when you can't support anything they do. But that's just it. Lots of Zionism in the Democratic Party, too. And its not as though the mass slaughter of Arabs is a policy Biden cooked up yesterday. This practice goes straight back to the Truman Doctrine.

Many pro-life voters desperately want to expand Medicare

They do not. They consistently vote in opposition to both candidates and policies that would achieve this end. The conservative pro-life movement routinely describes public (aka Socialist) medicine as a means of providing more abortions to more women, and so actively work to undermine it.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

So do you vote third party? Because in the real world that's a vote for whichever of the 2 parties you like least. Which is to say it's voting for Abbot and Trump by the sound of it.

Single-issue voters vote based on a single issue. This is my entire point and you're either willfully ignoring it or you're too dumb to understand. So which is it: are you stupid or disingenuous?

If they disagree with a party on 99.9% of issues but they're the only one supporting their single-issue they'll vote for that party anyway. It's how the Republicans stay politically powerful.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

So do you vote third party?

If there's someone downticket worth supporting. Otherwise, just submit a spoiled ballot with nobody at the top.

Single-issue voters vote based on a single issue.

Its a big issue. But more importantly, there is no brilliant silver lining to vote for.

You're talking about a guy whose three biggest legislative achievements over his four years in office have been

  • the Inflation Reduction Act - $783B in "spending" that was 85% tax-incentives (aka tax cuts) for already obscenely wealthy energy companies. The state of Texas has been the biggest beneficiary of these credits, incidentally.
  • the enormous leap in security spending, both for domestic police (remember when we cared about BLM and defunding our bloated prison industrial complex? Biden doesn't) and border patrol (remember when we cared about Children In Cages under Trump? Biden doesn't) and our foreign aid to Ukraine, to Saudi Arabia and Jordan, to Pakistan, to Taiwan, to South Korea and the Philippines, and across Latin America (particularly Haiti). Even setting aside Gaza, all of this sucks ass. A repeat of Bush's Global War On Terror, right down to the "arming of moderate rebels" shit that always bites us in the ass in the end.
  • "Ending" COVID, which appears to involve ratcheting back all the regulations and financial provisions for combating it, while the disease continues to do a 9/11 every two weeks in domestic mortality figures.

Oh yeah, and inflation. He's overseen an enormous spike in domestic prices, without any comparable rise in wages or public services. The last four years have been a series of empty promises and thread-worn excuses. This, from a guy who says "Bipartisan" every chance he gets, while bemoaning the threat of a resurgent rival party.

If they disagree with a party on 99.9% of issues but they’re the only one supporting their single-issue

Even Reagan drew the line at 80% and he was a hand-puppet for the party at large. This isn't about voting single issue. This is about witnessing a genocide on the watch of a guy who ran on being a civil rights champion.

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