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Physical media is the only way to ensure you retain access to it.
I disagree. Piracy is the answer IMO.
as someone else said, invasive DRM exists on discs too
discs can't store enough data for a lot of modern games, necessitating downloads anyway
discs can be damaged, lost, or stolen
The only way to ensure we still have access to this stuff in the future is a healthy cracking and pirating community.
How do you backup the game you pirated so you'll still have it in 20 years.
Like any media/data you want to store indefinitely: build/buy a NAS with enough storage.
That's what in saying, you store it on media you control. If you need to migrate it every decade or so to avoid loss/degradation so be it. Unless you physically have that data it's not yours and access can be lost at any time.
I was oblivious to some context in the thread.
Agreed, a single physical copy can easily be lost.
Making physical copies often requires cracking/piracy. E.g. in my jurisdiction it's illegal to circumvent "functional" copy protection, even though the right for a private copy is written in law. The problem is courts consider DVD's long broken copy protections functional.
This is why in my opinion physical copies and piracy/cracking go hand in hand. The former isn't possible without the latter.
E.g. I bought Lego Star: TCS again on Steam, because it was less work than getting rid of the copy protection on the disk.
Same as you would with any other data.
Although it'd matter much less if you know you can just pirate it again in the event of you doing no backups and losing the data.
discs are a personal archiving solution (quite a bad one too, unless you're into m-discs n stuff) and do not solve the data accessibility issue (copying it is labor intensive and needs human interaction, in contrast to a torrent)
It's why I see ed2k better than torrent for this purpose.
No, you don't. Games can include online-checks via company servers. If those shut down, some of your games cannot dial home anymore and will not start. Then you got useless discs lying around.
Piracy solves that issue, so for this kind of situation, the only way is piracy. I know some people like to stay within legal limits but that's not a fair playing field at all for the consumer.
I didn't say anything about purchasing the media only that a physical copy is the only way to ensure you retain access. Online checks are trivial to bypass (see: them being bypassed constantly.)
How do you back up the games you've pirated if not to a physical media? Further "physical media" doesn't mean "only dvds" but means "hdds" as well. Some of you people are just so eager to argue and correct someone you don't even think about the comment you're replying to, have fun with that.
edit: I'm not arguing against piracy, I'm arguing for making backups and not assuming that torrent (or infrastructure to activate software) will always be there. Unless you control the data (physically) it's not yours.
(Aside from the other issues) A DVD may not even retain it for 15 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD#Longevity
Hardly something to bet on for continued availability.
Just a side note that M-DISC exists which is essentially a blue ray disk with a claimed longevity of a thousand years (strong emphasis on "claimed". there's a lot of controversy around it)
but yes the only way to retain access is piracy as it allows people that didn't have the media to get it
It's weird to me that apparently nobody backs up their pirated stuff and just assumes they'll able to torrent it again in 10 years.
I get it about stuff that you don't really care about But if I spend a day looking for a specific movie, I'm taking it to my grave
Thanks for reminding me I need to try mdisc. I have multiple redundant backups but don't trust any of them for long term. (Hard drive, SSD flash, USB flash)
My carefully burned DVDs are going bad after 15 years just like you said. (They were checked for pio errors at time of burn using only verbatim azzo 100 year media and stored in my basement in black dvd cases.)
I really need to test them as well. Being ~100GB each is quite good for me, I won't need more than 100 for my whole life
I have some laserdiscs that are ~40 years old and still play fine.
Some things have no physical media, thus bringing it back to piracy as the only viable alternative yet again
Do you not back that thing up once you have it?
edit: it's assumed you pirated it initially as this is a piracy magazine.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by magazine, feel free to expand. I'll answer the party I can though... I back up certain media to an additional hard drive, but not everything. Some movies, all music, and some old comic books and magazines (Savage Sword of Conan, and it's like).
Every bit of physical media I have is also backed up digitally, because I don't even watch physical media anymore.
I dont really have a point to make, just writing out my thoughts.
Magazine is just the nomenclature in the fediverse, this is a "magazine" not a subreddit.
I back up pretty much everything, I guess a lot of the confusion is based on my phrasing, I was considering a RAID in your closet a physical backup while obviously the media there is being stored digitally.