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Missouri man fatally shoots his mother at home after mistaking her for intruder
(www.theguardian.com)
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Never happened to you so the scenario is invalid?
I've had armed men break in my house on Christmas Eve. Fuck me, I had a bear wonder in my dog door, laughably on Christmas Eve again. Had a wolf hybrid come in another time. He was my buddy though, knew him.
I hope you're never helpless and defenseless.
Don't leave us hanging. Was the wolf hybrid on Christmas Eve too?
Yes. Then there was the year the vampires came...
Then on Christmas Day he was opening his presents and boom, out jumps a mountain lion.
Did you have a child die screaming and terrified on their classroom floor at the hands of a legal gun owner? Were you ever hunted in a mall by a teenage extremist with a semi-automatic rifle?
Actually fuck it, did you even shoot the "armed men" or dog-sized bear, or did it turn out you didn't even need your guns in the bullshit you just made up.
That's very clearly not true.
Believe it or not, this is not the first time on Lemmy someone has justified owning a gun to protect themselves from bears.
And this statistic still stands:
There have been 67 fatal black bear attacks (and they would be the only ones small enough to come through a dog door) in North America since 1900. Most of them were defensive attacks.
https://wiseaboutbears.org/about-us/bear-attacks-2/
There's a very easy thing to do if there's a bear in your house that doesn't involve shooting it- leave and call animal control.
It also means you don't have to get rid of a bear carcass and clean bear blood off the carpet.
Isn't it funny how they always have this self-aggrandizing reasons for owning a gun? They're always "defending their family" (until their child uses their gun to blow their brains out) or "preventing tyranny" (when they're not enthusiastically voting and funding fascists).
It's never just "I own guns because they're fun", it's always the hero fantasy. I guess if they were honest, we wouldn't tolerate the endless bullshit they cause.
There are gun owners who just say, "I own guns because I think they're cool" or whatever. I've met them before. I even have a friend like that. He's fine with gun regulations, he just thinks guns are cool and (before he moved out of California), he liked to go out to the desert and shoot cans. He had no hero fantasies. He didn't even keep his guns easily-accessible. I have a lot more respect for people like him.
I know they exist (because I've also known them) but you'll never find one on the internet because the more horrific the social cost of American gun laws grows, the more grandiose the justifications for doing nothing need to be.
Imagine telling victims of gun violence "sorry, we can't make a token efforts to make sure gun owners aren't unhinged domestic abusers because some people think guns are fun and we don't want to inconvenience them".
We'd have gun regulations in a heartbeat if these "problem pretending to be the solution" gun owners were honest about why they want guns and when they'd use them -- it's why they lie about it in the first place.
I wonder if the armed men looked anything like this.
What was it wondering about?
STATISTICALLY it's invalid. Even your examples are not applicable because it sounds like they didn't want to cause you any bodily harm, they just wanted a house to easily rob of Christmas presents. Same thing with the bear and wolf, it didn't come in there wanting to hurt you, it just wanted food.
In both of these cases the best defense isn't shooting at an unidentified figure in the distance on an assumption that it's someone coming in with an intent to hurt you