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No. Make more. Flood the market. Pay them reasonably good but fix their work-life balance by having more. Asking for more money is the unimaginative response that people do whenever something is wrong - doctors seem to have plenty of money, so it is probably something else that is wrong.
Perhaps make deals to train more, and send people to train, in less expensive foreign markets rather than depleting those markets of their much needed doctors by luring them to Canada. People should have the right to move to a different country but blatant brain drain tactics have always seemed morally dubious to me.
From what I understand Doctors and Dentists that immigrate into Canada have a hard long road of needing to be "recertified". This means extensive money spent going back to university for a few years prior to even being able to work in the field or even open their own practice.
A family friend was a dentist overseas with his own practice he ran for years, it took him years to be "recertified" like many other dentists coming to Canada. He spent thousands of dollars in fees alone.
His wife was a dentist as well but ended up not going through the process when they moved as money was tight for both of them. Instead she had opted to recertify as a dentil hygienist.
Both are amazing in dentistry and IMO are better dentists than the few different practices I have been through in my life. So good that I travel 2 hours to go specifically to their practice.
Why are people so obsessed with getting new doctors from immigration? Where's the call to increase schooling capacity?
Our capacity for training doctors and nurses hasn't increased in decades. Every year hundreds of potential health care workers get turned away from schooling because we don't have the capacity. And everyone big idea is to ... not fix the root problem.
Any way you spin it this problem will take years to solve. Whether through immigration or through increased training capacity, it's going to take years. So we might as well let Canadians get trained for these jobs. We clearly want to, as evidenced by the greater number of applicants than seats.
I'm not against immigration by any means. I just don't hear anyone else talking about schooling capacity.
Then you're not listening.
Paying more will attract more. We train plenty now but they all go where doctoring is most lucrative, which is not Ontario.
Exactly. We need to accept that it is a competitive role and after 8+ years of schooling, you would go to where the pay is best too.
It's not true that doctors go to where the pay is the best. Doctors go to where they can have best have the life they want.
Its often easier to afford the life they want if they take a position with higher pay.
It isn't the only factor, though. You're going to have a harder time getting doctors in Kapuskasing or Sioux Lookout than Toronto no matter what you pay them.
Doctors are people. People value more than just money. If you start paying doctors more they are likely to work less, so that they can spend more time with their families.
I'd concede that this is less true for doctors near the beginning of their careers that have: student debt to pay down, mortgage down payments to save for, and fewer kids (in aggregate).
But if you want to know how to attract that sort of doctor, you shouldn't be surveying doctors, you should be surveying 3rd & 4th year med students.
And it would be less lucrative if there were more doctors, because you need there to be a significant demand in order to be paid a lot.
The problem is at both ends. We need more doctors, and we need more of them to stay here. It's not an either/or issue.
I get what you're saying, and as a med hopeful that would be my dream, but the result would be an undesirable salary for Canadian doctors. They'd simply move to the States and make literally hundreds of thousands more. Not to mention that doctors have massive amounts of debt from school, as well as large overhead costs when running practices.