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Liberals love liberalism. Conservatives hate liberalism. So in that narrow view we have more to talk about with one group than the other.
conservatives love liberalism. conservatives are liberals who hate gay and brown people a bit more and a bit more explicitly than self-declared liberals
let's use the actual words' definitions instead of whatever the heck liberal or conservative has been redefined to mean in the United States
Liberals tend to do white collar work while conservatives tend to be blue collar. I know there are plenty of exceptions and other factors that go into a person’s political beliefs (a cis white engineer will probably be fascist; a Black plumber (they exist) will probably be more on the left). Restaurant owners are usually liberals; landlords and business owners involved in direct resource extraction (farmers, fishermen) are usually conservatives. The work liberals do requires them to at least appear to be less racist on the surface. As nonprofit employees they are often exploiting blue collar workers and small business owners (via the tax breaks their nonprofit gets for instance); one purpose of nonprofits is to make capitalism look less shitty, which results in libs sometimes joining good protests but then kneeling with cops and telling people to stop “stealing” from Target. Conservatives are either surrounded by white people or are directly exploiting people of color. But again, everything is so mixed up and contradictory in the USA that there are many exceptions.
To reiterate @THIRD_WORLDIST@hexbear.net's point, both of those cultural tendencies are liberal, they are just liberalism with different pretensions. One is liberalism with a pretention towards 'fairness and realism' (conservative) the other is a pretension towards 'equality and justice' (liberal), neither of them delivers on their point because like liberalism is just about preserving aristocratic rights for businesses and business owners, it's not actually about individual rights, freedoms or justice.
I mostly agree. I’ve heard conservatives mention fairness, but fairness to them means doing what you’re told based on the socially constructed capitalist hierarchy (with cis white men on top and everyone else taking orders from them obviously). If you openly question this, you mark yourself out as an enemy of “natural” law.
Correct, both strains of liberals believe in a meritocracy. They just have different qualities as to what is meritorious, and why it is meritorious, and ultimately it falls flat because actual emancipation is not merit-based.
These observations are only strictly true in North America. For example, the Australian major "center" right party is the Liberal Party. The Brazilian Liberal Party is right wing. The Liberal Party in Sweden is considered conservative, etc etc.
Do they? I know they love neoliberal theory. I dunno if that is the same.
I think it's the same. not just neoliberal theory, but liberalism more broadly, ie capitalism
Except when capitalism doesn't give them what they want. Then they hate it and call it too woke