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He's doing a lot of diplomacy behind closed doors, a bit too much for my taste even, but that's how he's always worked and he'll keep doing that, so there's not much visible but the few public statements. I think he needs to do more, but he's very risk averse and the problem is that if he just straight up blocks all support for Israel then that could cause chaos (risk for war in the region, loss of internal support, etc).
If he was averse to risk, he'd stop doing all this shit his voters hate less than a year out from an election...
He's being dangerously risky right now, and we're all fucked if it turns out he made a bad judgement call and loses the election.
At the same time, Biden says trump is incredibly dangerous, and him becoming president again could be the end of American democracy.
And I agree with that.
Which is why I think Biden putting Israel over America is so fucking stupid.
America isn't responsible for the safety of Israel. If America stopped protecting them at the UN, and the UN forced them to stop their genocide...
That wouldn't be the end of Israel, just the end of their current genocide.
If Israel got attacked after that and invaded, then aid to Israel would be a different story and the rest of the UN would be helping.
You're arguing from this false stance where Joe Biden is the only thing keeping Israel a state right now, and ignoring that his support of Israel could very well lead to the actual end of American democracy.
The president of America's priority should be America, not if a foreign country might have to stop their genocide.
Like, if Biden was stopping a genocide, that would be different.
Do you legitimately not understand any of that?
There's not as many people who think like you as you think there are.
And unfortunately it’s mostly younger voters, who as a group BARELY vote.
We have states with 20% of voters choosing uncommitted. What are you on about?
80% > 20%
And that's of Democrats who voted in the primary.
There's just way more supporters of Israel than there are people who dislike genocide. Biden has to be careful to not lose their votes.
I was under the impression that refusing to do the right thing because you’re scared of the consequences was the definition of cowardice.
You're a troll, please go away.
Yes, the ad hominem attack has been famous for its effectiveness since Ancient Greece. The key is to start by engaging with a comment you disagree with using logic. But when you run out of reasoned responses and they think they've cornered you, call them a name or insult their mother. 99% of the time it works every time.
calling me names doesn't change whether what i said was true.
You're a troll, please go away.
Yes, the ad hominem attack has been famous for its effectiveness since Ancient Greece. The key is to start by engaging with a comment you disagree with using logic. But when you run out of reasoned responses and they think they've cornered you, call them a name or insult their mother. 99% of the time it works every time.
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You can't assume the 80% of people who voted for Biden would abandon him the minute he withdrew his support of genocide. They might as easily believe the fud I keep hearing here that an uncommitted vote is tantamount to a vote for Trump.
Likewise, not all of the 20% would withold their votes if he continues to support Israel.
But regardless of the actual number, it's pretty clear that "votes at risk if I continue to support Israel" is a much smaller number than "votes at risk if I denounce Israel". The resulting political calculus is unavoidable. Biden can work for a ceasefire, but acting or speaking in direct opposition to Israel is a terrible idea.
It's not clear at all that a smaller number of votes are at risk. And the whole idea that whether Biden supports genocide should the result of a political calculus is abhorrent.
That's life, if you can't handle it go get therapy or something. "Stop all bad things" is not always an option, you have to pick the least bad sometimes.
No matter how many mental gymnastics you do, you are still voting for genocide if you vote for Joe Biden.
You're voting for genocide no matter what. You're just voting to genocide harder if you do anything other than vote for Biden.
voting for Jill Stein or Cornel West or de la Cruz are votes against genocide
Nah, that's splitting the Biden vote. Which is helping Trump. Which is a vote in favor of even more genocide.
only a vote for trump is a vote for trump. a vote for any other candidate is a vote against trump
Not in a winner take all system. That's not how voting works in the US.
this is just misinformation. this is exactly how voting works in the us.
Literally not even true. There can be only one President, and the party that gets the most votes wins. It's very easy math if you're interested in truth. Which you are not.
nothing you said contradicts what I said except "literally not even true" which isn't an argument.
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