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Living outside China has become more like living inside China
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It’s well known that Asian people in general, but East Asian people especially are discriminated against for leadership roles and this is a comparison that’s not really apt. I would be curious as to whether Japanese immigrants and their descendants, who are also largely well educated, represent a similar share per capita of leadership positions as Chinese immigrants and their descendants do.
Very alarming that the Chinese government is encouraging Chinese immigrants to get positions of power in foreign countries.
I wonder how many non-Chinese are in the CCP or running large Chinese firms?
What I've noticed is there wat more of a Chinese identity than there is for other countries. Usually if a white person moves to another country and has children the children grow up identifying with that country.
But go to China Town anywhere in the world and it really does look like China, the newspapers are all Chinese newspapers for example (not that nationality in Chinese actual Chinese).
White people used to have an identity that held. Like Britisher for example. But I doubt any Aussies would say they are a Britisher.
The only exception is Americans than are actually American and 99% German but have 1% Irish so they tell everyone are Irish (but they actually know nothing about Ireland).
I'm really not sure this is accurate, you're looking at a caricature of a society (China Town), there is selection bias in your example.
Also think about your example of a white person moving to another country. Is that country still majority white? To make an equivalent argument you need to look at white communities in east asian countries or African countries. Do those examples support this position?
Admittedly I don't know many because I haven't lived there but from what I know white people that have moved to Africa or Asia they think of their children as from that country.
But they much more often marry locals. Asians tend to marry within their ethnicity or even their family and tend to think of themselves as that previous nationality.
How many white people are elected in Asian and African countries? They don't seem as well received as the locals compared to the west.
I'm in my own bubble community so it's hard to say whether it's true, what makes me question that is my own experience.
Here in NZ we don't really have a China Town, there are higher asian concentrations in certain neighborhoods but you tend to get those with various cultures.
My friends (and myself) that are east/south east asian do keep an Asian identity but we don't hold as strong of a nationality attachment to our original country. I was raised in NZ, our ways of life are better than probably most other nations out there.
This is not the same as our parents who did grew up in Asia but I think that's understandable.
My personal barrier to be considered as from NZ is not internal, it's external. When people see me, the first guess at nationality is not NZ/kiwi but Chinese. The first question is where am I from (country of origin). This is a major concern for me in the US because of appearances.
I'm not sure I can really square that with belonging to a nation truly, so what am I left to work with here?
Well I actually have an answer to that but that's a wider opinion about nationality in general.
The question really is how many people like you would betray your country for China? Vs how many people with parents from somewhere in Europe betray nz for a European country.
Is that really the question? Framing it us vs them doesn't help either group. This is not a zero sum situation where you defect or don't.
But I don't think this question is worth considering because considering loyalty to country is like considering faithfulness to a religion. It doesn't put you on the right side of morality. People like me don't draw that line based on place of origin.
I would hope NZ would not take the same route that so many countries around the world are taking and take on identity politics. So far we seem to be doing on average better than that.
What a stupid concern.
It’s not a concern, it’s pointing out hypocrisy. China wants its foreign nationals in power elsewhere, but doesn’t want foreigners in its own country and makes it extremely rare for them to get citizenship let alone participate in decision making.
If the proportion of foreing nationals with the intention of building their life in your country is minuscule, them having significant representation in the general power structures is a non-issue. It wouldn't surprise me if, in the event that China grew a significant immigrant community, they still wanted to deny them representation, but complaining about that right now is akin to a Brazilian complaining that Norway wants them to protect their jungle when Norway isn't protecting their own jungle.
If I was a good-hearted Chinese politician, I would also be trying to get Chinese migrants in Western countries to get adequate representation, because that would help them get some muscle to protect themselves if they were ever going to be discriminated against.
Right, ignore the entirely obvious political ramifications of why China wants these people in positions of power and pretend it’s because good hearted party officials think they need protection.
They can't be wrong if they change the goalposts.
If you begin to oppose good decisions because there are monsters with their own self-interest in mind backing them, you are going to take terribly stupid positions, such as turning against defending Ukraine from Russia. Opposing Chinese minorities getting representation similar to their population is just as racist as opposing black people getting representation in US institutions or Muslims in French ones. Just oppose representatives who are undoubtedly serving spurious interests.