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Never found a motive? Are you joking? We've got tons of info on the psycho who did it. He was a distraught aging white male with a history of depression, gambling, and firearms who wanted to hurt the world and kill himself.
Sad losers are a dime a dozen but at least most of them aren't as stupid as that guy. There is no reason to discuss this outside of proposed changes to our society as a whole to better prevent these stains on history.
Ahh yes no need to discuss why people become who they are or to change society for the better
I don't mean to sweep this under the rug, but I think that just stands as another case for the fact that an enormous amount of people in this country have mental health issues. It's normalized at this point.
Besides that, news outlets that report on this only do so basically of the drama and the views. The solutions are in front of us, always have been, but that's not what anyone truly cares about.
I think framing it as a 'mental health' issue puts all the blame on the individual.
It's not a 'mental health' epidemic. Society is broken and more people are realizing it every day.
These problems will only get worse as the disparity in wealth continues to grow and more people feel like they have nothing to live for as a result.
Oh absolutely. You're right, framing it that way does seem to ignore the current issues we face as a society.
I believe that our mental health as a society is problematic, but it's not the individual's fault due to neglect. There are root causes in the background that are responsible. People don't need therapy, but rather living conditions need to improve.
Depressed white male dressed as a policeman: So, why did you do it?
Mass shooter: because I'm a depressed white male
Missed the capitalised B in because, but 👏👏👏
I mean you can discuss it to death, but without facts -- which don't exist, because he didn't tell anyone the intimate workings of his fucked up mind -- the best you can do is speculate. By all means, go ahead.
If you had read my comment then you would know that was exactly what I would rather we discussed.
But but but why did he spray bullets at a crowd with intent to murder hundreds? Why, man, why? We need his manifesto, his tax records, the political affiliations of his associates and family! How else am I supposed to fit him into my narrative if I can't prove why he thought to do the unthinkable?
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Racist.
Explain how.
In an alternate universe...
It's the inclusion of 'aging white male' listed with the other negatives, so it could be viewed as ageist, sexist, and racist.
Yes, yes, let your feelings guide the mouse to the downvote button
White men are the most dangerous segment of the population, which is clearly shown by violent crime statistics. There is a reason that rural census tracts (which are overwhelmingly white) are the most dangerous places to live.
? The fuck? The statistics don't show anything like that and it's not polite to discuss what they really show.
That is not what I said, nor is it true. While males are 97.7% of the NIJ's Index of Mass Shooters, only about 50% were white which is lower than their proportion of the total population. However, depression amongst that demographic is higher and growing, and mental illnesses correlate highly with those who harm others and themselves, so I'm just saying the Vegas Shooter ticked every box on the proverbial check list.
~30% of the US population are white men but according to that link 52% of mass shootings are perpetrated by white men. That is a ~22% increase over what you would expect if the US didn’t raise its white conservative men to be violent and hateful and specifically teach them they are the only types of people who are allowed to be violent or threaten the possibility of violence in public spaces.
How is this not evidence that white men are the most dangerous people in the US? Not in terms of being likely to commit a crime of desperation but rather to be an utter loser and decide to shoot a bunch of random people out of pure hate? White men might not be the most likely to hurt you in the US, but they are BY FAR the most likely to hurt you for no reason other than you who happen to be and what you happen to represent to them.
71% of the USA is white. You're just being a disingenuous piece of shit, fuck off mate.
What?
Statistics are hard to understand huh?
I believe you may be misinformed. Surely not blatantly making things up to fit your narrative?
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Arrests and convictions are not a valid proxy for violent acts or crimes committed. If you knew absolutely anything about this area of study you’d be aware of that. Have fun with your willful ignorance.
Crime victimization survey is, and can be used in conjunction with crime justice system statistics.
Thanks for being reasonably-minded.
If nothing else, I'm finding discussions like these helpful in curating my Lemmy experience. If someone is spreading misinformation, ignoring evidence to the contrary, and refuses to provide an argument as to why they feel the way to do, even if it's only a rationalization, then it's clear they're not (yet) capable of debate with critical thought and without emotions and social conditioning blinding them. I've never been one to block people but Lemmy is infested with groupthink in a way I'd never thought possible, it's beyond reddit.
Also any snark is highly frowned upon, unless it's in favor of the groupthink, so that's my own fault.
Yeah, this place can be kind of particular. I tend to stay quiet on shit I don't align with 100%. This is just something that's well studied with good data. If people refuse to accept reality we can't really fix shit.
So the victims say the perpetrator is a white man; police arrest black male. I'll wait for you to link to the 4 times that's happened as if it's a checkmate.
I'm sure you have the added statistics for convictions and they fully support what you're saying. Pray tell, because your urban vs. rural assumptions on violence is clearly not supported by the evidence.
Convictions show the same? Curious about your reasoning for that, that doesn't sound wildly racist.
If we're not going off of facts (statics of arrests and convictions) then what are we going off of? Feelings? I'm more than willing to have my mind changed if you can provide an argument that rural white men are the most dangerous group, as long as it's based on more than feelings and hearsay. A black man in urban attire walking into a sunset town of 100 people has the same result as a white man in a suit walking down a dangerous inner-city street. Same cause of effect: human nature.
At the risk of sounding racist, I think it's quite obvious that when you buy a foreign people from their homeland as a commodity (sold largely in part by warlords and warring tribes of the same race, by the way), treat them as chattle (literally) and forbid any written or oral history of their culture or familial past, while raping the women and killing the babies or selling them off, creating extreme intergenerational trauma, hatred, and injustice, and then continue treating them like shit even after the law says you can no longer treat them as less than human...
You may have a societal problem on your hands that doesn't resolve itself in a measly few generations. A societal problem that results in higher rates of violence.
We need better support in this country in so many aspects. For women and men of all races and creeds. But until we break away from being an overly materialistic consumerist society, that won't change. What we don't need is a distortion of reality to fit a false narrative.
There's no need to mention their race right? Unless it was a racially motivated attack, which I don't remember coming up.
Because of statistics which indicate aging white males are more likely to:
Own a gun SOURCE
Have mental health concerns SOURCE
Harm themselves SOURCE
Harm others SOURCE
Sorry to tell you, but demographics play a part in societal ails.
It is unfortunately relevant information on the topic of demographic shifts and marginalized groups. What the shooter did was not typical by any means, but who he was is extremely typical for what he did, sadly.