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Russia’s FSB accuses concert attack suspects of having Ukraine contacts
(www.aljazeera.com)
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This is false. The alleged ISIS announcement has already been identified as a fake. However it should be noted that this narrative was put out in a coordinated fashion by western media almost immediately after the attack in order to get ahead of the story.
So far what is known is:
the terrorists claim they were offered a substantial amount of money for the attack through a Telegram contact
the terrorists claim they were provided with weapons through a cache set up by a well organized network
the terrorists do not claim affiliation with ISIS
the terrorists were apprehended while frantically trying to reach the Ukrainian border
The fact pattern does not fit the MO of ISIS, this was not a suicide attack, it was meticulously planned and organized by a professional agency with substantial resources complete with a getaway plan for the terrorists.
I don't want to say anything more than this for now because this is not the time for speculation, we have to wait for all the facts. We will learn more in the coming days and weeks.
My deepest condolences to those affected by this heinous crime.
Source for your conclusion the announcement was fake?
https://t.me/rybar/58423
Thanks. It’s a link to Telegram channel post by Rybar. They are saying the official Telegram channels of ISIS-K have not made any official statements.
Where was the outdated message template posted then?
You'd have to ask the western media outlets which have been circulating this alleged ISIS confession that question.
Regardless, even if some official ISIS channel did come out and claim the attack, a) we know that ISIS is controlled by CIA and Mossad so they can just get the order from their handlers to go ahead and falsely claim it; it means nothing. And b) the apprehended perpetrators of the attack have not claimed to be acting on behalf of ISIS, and it's not that we should take them at their word but that is just not how ISIS followers behave. They want the world to know it was ISIS. They also want to become martyrs, they don't typically try to make an escape.
Out of curiosity, can you recommend anything linking ISIS and CIA/Mossad?
I always thought that made sense to me so I believe it but I don't really have anything to support that.
I mean you have Jake Sullivan telling Hillary Clinton in an email that "Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria", you have ISIS fighters getting medical treatment in "Israel" and not one ISIS attack ever (deliberately) targeting the Zionist entity, and oh yeah, Wikileaks who have never gotten something like this wrong directly saying that the CIA created ISIS:
Edit: Oh and then you also have this:
So arab spring was a front to replace leaders with leaders more loyal to the west? Its been ages, I don't remember what came first
Exactly. Some of the people who were involved in top level discussions years before the "Arab Spring" events kicked off have since come out and said that the plan was to topple several regimes in the Middle East that the US was looking to get rid of in short succession. I don't have the interview on hand where this was said but maybe someone else remembers and can link it. In essence what they planned was to get rid first and foremost of regimes that were left over from the cold war as former Soviet allies, all within the span of a few years.
They would take out Libya and Syria and work their way up to Iran. Imo what was unsaid is that the logical conclusion of this chain points directly at Russia. I believe they always wanted to eventually take another stab at taking Russia apart with a Chechen-wars-like conflict. And they would have free reign to do this once they had completely cleared the Middle East. Anyhow, for the Arab Spring the CIA prepared the ground with their NGOs very thoroughly. They were training color revolution operatives on how to employ social media and other destabilization methods years in advance.
Where color revolutions wouldn't work they would either resort to bombing or dirty war via CIA created jihadi proxies.
Edit: here is the clip where a US general talks about the "seven countries in five years" plot. CGTN and Al Jazeera have also reported on this.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Did you mean to say ISIS or am I missing something?
No, the email from 2011 said AQ. At the time the groups that would eventually become ISIS were not yet branding themselves as such and were still just an outgrowth of Al Qaeda. But it's the same thing as if they were to say ISIS today.
Ooh, I see what you mean! Thanks for the information and clarifying!
This is very helpful.
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Also interested. I’m admittedly very ignorant and have not researched that claim at all. Good sources summarizing the arguments for CIA and ISIL links are appreciated.
All I know is the Syrians have said that ISIS commanders have been whisked away at the last moment as their forces closed in by what could only be US military helicopters among other things like the US sending aid to "moderate rebels" which always ended up in ISIS hands.
Definitive links that aren't just claims are going to be hard to come by. The western press wouldn't even air those so finding anything English speaking will likely be a challenge, just the same if anyone has anything I'd also like to see it.