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For a Universal Declaration on Fediverse Rights, or: At the Core of the Threads-Debate lies a deeper problem: how can the Fediverse grow without losing its soul in the process? (fungiverse.wordpress.com)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by blue_berry@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 16 points 7 months ago

Meta’s moral shortcomings are even more reasons to federate with them and try to win over users and pressure Meta to implement better digital rights as well.

"The terrorists moral shortcomings are even more reasons to negotiate with them and try to win them over."

Don't negotiate with terrorists.

Also the article sets up defederation from Meta as if it doesn't do anything. I don't think that's true though.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 months ago

The terrorists moral shortcomings are even more reasons to negotiate with them and try to win them over

You're not negotiating with the terrorists (Meta), you're engaging with the public to explain why the terrorists are bad and why they shouldn't buy what's being sold.

The argument is that we aren't going to win this with sheer numbers or funding, so we need to slowly get people to understand why they are better off picking Mastodon/Fediverse over threads. Every instagram user is already being tossed into Threads, and you can't bring those people over if they never see posts or content from the Fediverse

[-] Blaze@dormi.zone 9 points 7 months ago

you can’t bring those people over if they never see posts or content from the Fediverse

It's still possible. Reddit didn't became popular because it federated with Digg.

When Lemmy will become the reference for human provided answers, people will join. How fast it will happen depends on how bad the experience on Reddit becomes.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

That's a good point too :)

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 7 months ago

Maybe. But that's a big maybe. It could equally be that Threads becomes the most powerful entity on the Fediverse and what they do becomes law (like shutting off a certain instance).

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yea the other part of my reasoning is to try and prevent them from getting to that point.

The short version of which is that our biggest selling point is "Join Mastodon, you can see all the same content and do the same things, but it's run by a non-profit instead of Facebook". Defederation means we lose that point, and it's going to be very difficult for Mastodon to compete with the money and manpower that facebook has.

"Join Mastodon to see content that you can't see otherwise" will have a much harder time competing with "Join Threads to see content that you can't see otherwise"