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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by Arenge@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

Shouldn't have said anything, now I'm getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can't be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn't lose, we should not worry because they haven't seen that much electoral success

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[-] ElGosso@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean, tbh, I'm a little more sympathetic on this than most Hexbears. Like, no, I don't think Putin is Satan incarnate, and yes, this whole mess is America's fault for trying to pull them into NATO. But broadly speaking all the stuff about Ukraine being Nazi-riddled as a casus beli falls flat when Putin has been happy to use far-right-wing groups like Russki Orbaz for his own benefit, and I don't think Russia is really a credible threat to western hegemony like China is, so I don't see how supporting Russia would be meaningfully revolutionarily defeatist. Sure, people like your friend are psychos who soaked up too much propaganda.

But the war is here now, and I think the only thing keeping your average Ukrainian from living in a war zone is western arms shipments, and tbh that's the only argument that I find really resonates with me.

EDIT: Lot of people big mad about this one lmao

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

I think you're broadly correct, though I'd argue the Ukrainian fascist issue is worse, due to structural conditions in their state.

I will say that due to broadly friendly Russia-China relations, a Russian victory would substantially benefit China and allow greater penetration for its overland trade routes. From what I hear they've driven a hard bargin for even the current aid to Russia

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