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It turns out one of my friends is a pro-Ukraine leftist type (hexbear.net)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Arenge@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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Shouldn't have said anything, now I'm getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can't be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn't lose, we should not worry because they haven't seen that much electoral success

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[-] sordid@procial.tchncs.de 21 points 7 months ago

@ElGosso@hexbear.net This argument is completely devoid of any understanding of how US imperialism created this war, or the self-determination by citizens in Donetsk and Luhansk to leave a state that came to be run by NATO-backed torturers filled with historical fantasies of racism makes Russia look fairly reluctant to participate in it.

the only thing keeping your average Ukrainian from living in a war zone is western arms shipments, and tbh that’s the only argument that I find really resonates with me

Why would this argument resonate with anyone? Are you basing your understanding of Ukraine off post-2022 discourse? You think those concert-bombing wheeled artillery pieces are protecting civilians? You should take a look at SBU headquarters, Patriot batteries can't even do anything against their new weapons. They're certainly not for destroying apartment complexes or community centers.

The USA has fomented far right parties in Ukraine since WWII but what Nuland and friends have done since 2014 is truly despicable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmaakY-PIAc

[-] goog@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

It's actually crazy that you can get away with saying "western arms shipments keep Ukrainians from living in a war zone" on this site. How stupid are these people? Do they not realize a civil war was raging for a decade? By the way, are you German? There's no way you're actually German and saying this.

[-] sordid@procial.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

@goog@hexbear.net I don't appreciate you making comments about stupid people. I've talked mostly to smart people who misuse it. I value my peculiar stupidities. I'm not German, I'm doing stupid computer things.