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It turns out one of my friends is a pro-Ukraine leftist type (hexbear.net)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Arenge@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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Shouldn't have said anything, now I'm getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can't be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn't lose, we should not worry because they haven't seen that much electoral success

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[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

Remember - Lenin never supported any side in WW1. In fact, he hoped for an enemy victory, as that would create the conditions for a revolution.

Picking sides in an inter-imperialist war is anti-Lenin.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

From Lenin’s Lecture on “The Proletariat and the War” (1914)

For a Marxist clarifying the nature of the war is a necessary preliminary for deciding the question of his attitude to it. But for such a clarification it is essential, first and foremost, to establish the objective conditions and concrete circumstances of the war in question. It is necessary to consider the war in the historical environment in which it is taking place, only then can one determine one’s attitude to it. Otherwise, the resulting interpretation will be not materialist but eclectic.

Depending on the historical circumstances, the relationship of classes, etc., the attitude to war must be different at different times. It is absurd once and for all to renounce participation in war in principle. On the other hand, it is also absurd to divide wars into defensive and aggressive. In 1848, Marx hated Russia, because at that time democracy in Germany could not win out and develop, or unite the country into a single national whole, so long as the reactionary hand of backward Russia hung heavy over her.

In order to clarify one’s attitude to the present war, one must understand how it differs from previous wars, and what its peculiar features are.

The war in Ukraine is not WWI.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

Enemy victory for western leftists would be russian victory, non?

[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A stalemate where Russia gets the eastern parts of Ukraine would be a move towards creating the necessary revolutionary conditions in both Ukraine and the rest of the West