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No. Especially in this case, it is also a term for cheap manufacturing processes by ignoring environmental and social norms, including the use of forced labour. There's ample evidence for this. For example, it is the reason why European car makers were forced to quit their collaboration with a joint venture in Xinjiang.
That's a good idea, but it only works if and when both sides apply it and acting in good faith. However, there is, for example, no way of an independent investigation over so many alleged human rights abuses in China, even a simple market research (or shooting a photo in the public space) may lead to behind closed-door trials for espionage, ending with long jail terms. Let alone that China intentionally produces overcapacity, while at the same time protects its own domestic market. Things like these have nothing to do with transparency and collaboration.
These are just a few examples you may have (intentionally?) missed in your statement as it doesn't describe the economic reality well. Your anti-western sentiment is somewhat weird if I may say so.
Then just target the anti-environmental, social, and forced labour parts? This article is specifically about unfair subsidies, not what you just mentioned. You're moving the goalpost.
Supply chain transparency in the countries that have enacted laws like that, apply internationally:
I literally described Norway in a very positive way - my ideal approach. Are they no longer western? Or are you just being a weirdo because I don't like propaganda in general? I don't like Chinese propaganda, and I don't like whatever you're doing by having a profile consisting of 90% news articles about China. You're basically doing marketing by constantly pushing articles about China, similar to how adverts are constantly pushed in our faces. A normal person might post a few articles about China here and there, but your history is 90%.
The supply chain laws in the West are widely useless if China makes it impossible to independently investigate the Chinese parts of these very supply chains. Given this lack of transparency, is a trusted cooperation possible? (The answer is: no, it isn't.)
You are just repeating your statements and ignoring mine it seems.
This is silly and absolutist reasoning. The law exists to encourage companies to push their suppliers for more ethical behaviour, if China won't allow transparency, then it's a violation of the supply chain transparency law and they'll have to choose between A) more transparency, or B) not being on the receiving end of deals. The crucial difference is this only targets the things you pointed out that weren't even on topic to subsidies to begin with, but instead we're enacting protectionist policies and complaining about "unfairness" with the amount of subsidies they have.
That's funny considering you changed the subject. I'm trying to stay on topic with the original article talking about subsidies, you're moving the goalpost. I don't have to respond to things that aren't on topic.
What do you think is China choosing, A or B?
I call you out for the accusation of being silly, that's not a level worth continuing any discussion.
Do you know? Are you prescient? Don't pretend you can predict what China would do - especially rich coming from Mr. 90% Articles About China.
You're still yapping on about the off topic thing I see. Come back when we're talking about subsidies again please. If you have to steer the conversation away when you're losing the argument, onto a topic I don't even necessarily disagree with (forced labour, environmental and social concerns)... I don't know what to say, you're just being a weirdo.