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U.S., Not Israel, Shot Down Most Iran Drones and Missiles
(theintercept.com)
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Biden won't put US military members in the way to deter an actual fucking genocide...
But he's scrambling jets to protect uninhabited areas in Israel?
This isn't just him supporting a genocide anymore, he's not making logical decisions. He's said for literal decades that nothing will ever make him lower his complete support of Israel, and he keeps showing us that's true
Someone with that kind of loyalty to any foreign government for any reason should disqualify them from holding at least the presidential office.
It was bad when Trump was like this with Russia, and the whole Dem party agreed.
Then Biden does the same shit and suddenly it's ok?
Fuck that noise.
Iran hurting almost nobody is in everyone's best interests.
We don't need Israel vs Iran lobbing missiles at each other or marching to attack each other. Shooting down every single Iranian rocket was the fastest and simplest way to peace.
Not really. This wasn't America acting with a strategic strike. They simply shot down a few missiles to "support" Israel ... because to do otherwise could have opened the door to other Arab nations lobbing bombs at Israel where over 1 million Palestinians are still living.
Peace wasn't any part of this strategy.
Grade A geopolitical analysis lol
The only mention of any injury from this was something that was shot down landed on someone...
If all the "attack" hit the target, there would have been zero injury.
I don’t like that Biden is supporting Israel, but I’m not going to put him and Trump on the same level. Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem. Biden has allowed a lot of shit I hate and don’t want us to be a part of, but acting like they’re one and the same is not helpful. Especially when we would have had boots on the ground helping Israel if Trump was in office.
If someone kicked you in the balls, would it be ok for everyone you meet after that to punch you in the face?
Or do you keep the same social standards regardless of meeting one exceptionality shitty person?
Would you get mad at the guy who just punched you? It was as bad as the kick in the nuts, so you can't complain right?
Logically speaking, you're saying you'd accept the punch with a smile because it was worse before.
I’d rather take a hit to the face.
You’re trying to summarize a situation into something small and easy for people, but it’s complex and shitty.
I understand the plight of the people in Gaza and the absolutely abhorrent behavior my country has had towards them. I understand how the futuristic and advanced weapons made by my country have negatively impacted the world.
I also now live in a world that deals with the results of Donald Trump in office. My mom, sister, niece and wife don’t have access to the same healthcare they once did that was a right to them. I have a court system now that’s so skewed compared to American politics that it dictates policy to us rather than democratically enables the people. I live under a system of moved goal posts because Trump made the wall into a whole thing, and now everyone looks to shut the border down constantly rather than dealing with the reasons people flood across it. Every day people in my country die from gun violence and expanded police powers both of which rapidly increased under Trump and who changed the laws making it easier to purchase weapons and who made police more resistant to citizen committees.
And before you switch to the “why don’t you then change it” we’re working on. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first steps. Fascists don’t just go away when they lose. They fester. Trying to throw it all away means potentially creating one of the bloodiest conflicts the world has ever seen because we’re upset temporarily. I get that people are needlessly dying, but more will die no matter what we do. Staying the course, correcting the effects of Donald Trump, changing the tides of American politics and shifting the left actually left is the best course of action right now. We’re getting there. Not as fast as I or others like, but I see it every day.
It's definitely shitty, but the choice to support a genocide or not is surprisingly easy...
Like, you act like what good Biden has done inexplicably comes with the evil Biden does.
We could have someone that helps.more and does less evil.
To take it back to my "small and easy" analogy, someone that shakes your hand, or at least just gives one of those barely noticable head nods without a change in facial expression even.
You've let the guy who kicked you in the nuts lower the bar too much, youve forgotten what acceptable behavior looks like.
Really? Who?
You "genocide joe" folks keep saying there's a better choice, but nobody will give me a name, a website, a campaign address I can send money to, anything. Show the candidate that can literally win in 7 months. Otherwise, you're asking me to put my family at additional risk for the payoff of helping exactly 0 people in Gaza... unless you define helping as Israel "finishing the job."
You want one name?
Elizabeth Warren.
But that's not the only name.
Hell, the major reason for voting Biden is literally that he's not trump, a qualification everyone eligible to run for president shares, except trump.
Do you honestly think 7 months isn't enough time to run a general campaign? Why is the primary not scheduled to end for two more months if that's true?
Seriously, how can you rationalize the primary not being scheduled to end for two more months if that's not enough time for a general campaign?
I'm dying to hear your answer.
I actually voted for Warren in the primaries last cycle. As far as I know, she isn't running this cycle and isn't on the ballot in any states that have already passed the8r registration deadlines.
I know for a fact that 7 months isn't long enough to run a presidential campaign because, again, you have to have filed to run usually a year in advance. Unless you're suggesting that Warren is running the best write-in campaign in American history. I'm happy to help her, but I'm a little worried I haven't heard a word about it from her or any PACs.
So you think if Biden did the right thing and drops out, she wouldn't run?
Before you were saying she couldn't, now you're saying she wouldn't...
So why do you think the DNC only gives 5?
And if they're making such obvious wrong choices and you're so much better at this, why are they still running the only party against trump?
Shouldn't we have people as smart as you running the party if you're so obviously right?
If the bar for running a campaign is "knowing it's hard to win the electoral college if you aren't on the ballot" then yeah, I guess I'm qualified...but being so smart, I know there's quite a bit more to it than that.
I think that campaigns start during or before the primary...you know, when the media starts talking about who's gonna run and what their positions are....then all the commercials start running...that all feels pretty campaigny to me. So I can't really comment on why you think the DNC doesn't let folks campaign before the convention. Feels like that'd make voting in all those primaries a lot harder.
Oh ok, you don't know what other people are saying...
That's why you can't understand.
Hope that helps. Best of luck in your future interactions
I’m not the other person, but that’s obviously not helpful and simply makes you look immature. Either explain where you think someone’s gone wrong or leave out the “hope that helps.” Or don’t, and everyone reading is reminded of that scene from the big Lebowski
Thanks for replying doing the thing you're telling me not to do...
Hope that helps!
And yet I participate in society, how curious.
You’re right, we should bring back the guy who kicked me in the nuts, but now has threatened to kill me too. Genius level.
If it's too late to change candidates, why hasn't the DNC convention taken place?
Why did they schedule it so late in the summer that they missed multiple state deadlines to be on general election ballots?
And if your answer is going to have anything to do with the DNC being completely incompetent: why are you insisting we keep letting them be the only thing that stands between America and trump?
Who, exactly, would be an ideal candidate at this point to replace Biden that has a hope in hell of winning? Who, exactly, has the national recognition to pull that off in the Democrat party, or really any other party, in November of this year?
Elizabeth Warren off the top of my head, but lots of people can.
But you're ignoring the reason most people are voting Biden is he's not trump. Name recognition hurts Biden.
Removed, civility.
Why is it the Biden supporters that sound most like trump supporters always have a post history making pro genocide comments too?
I've noticed it a lot, so I'm genuinely curious.
2nd removal for implying another user is mentally deficient. 1st one was a removal, this one is a removal and a temp ban. Don't insult other users.
But that isn't the situation. The situation is that you can choose to let someone kick you in the balls, or you can choose to let a whole gang mug you. There isn't a third choice, no matter how much you want there to be. Third party candidates are a great ideal, but until we have a different voting system, it will continue being an ideal instead of reality.
The primary still isn't over, but people have been saying that for years...
We get two poor decisions every four years, and shit ain't going to change as long as two private organizations are the only two options.
It's easy for the DNC to match what it's voters want, but they've become out right antagonistic towards their voting base, and voters can't really do anything because at the end of the day our political parties are private groups with no responsibility to voters.
So you can keep blindly supporting them, but in case you haven't noticed, it loses the party voters every election. If you really just care about beating republicans, then you should be putting you're energy to pulling the party left.
Not telling people to give up an accept this as best possible.
This is a dumb take - I definitely want us to cut off military aide to Isreal that's used for offensive purposes.. but there's no reason to let Iran bomb Isreal just because we're pissed off about Palestine. Isreal being forced into a defensive war is only likely to accelerate deaths in Gaza.
So why aren't we shooting down Israel's attacks on Gaza?
You can't claim we shot these down just to avoid casualties out of respect for life when we're actively helping commit a genocide.
At least not if you want to convince anyone of anything logically.
Well, for one, we don’t have bases positioned in the vast expanse between…..checks….Israel and Gaza.
I believe most of these shootdowns came from the Red Sea, Iraq, and Syria’s.
The u.s. could easily enforce a no-fly zone over gaza and implement an iron dome to intercept missiles going either way instead of just protecting israel.
If the u.s wanted this to stop they could, it's not a matter of ability, it's a matter of will.
What bases do we have between Iran and Israel?
There's one "base" in Israel...
https://apnews.com/general-news-2ccf317f293d4be59b92cec5554c3db4
Which exists inside of what was already an Israeli air base, is under control of Israel, and was only put there in name by trump so the US would have an excuse to attack anyone that attacks Israel.
Like, this shit isn't ancient history, but I'm constantly surprised on here that I'm the only one who remembers stuff from the last decade.
Wikipedia indicates there are currently 12 bases in iraq
The US is a puppet state of Isreal. Our entire Congress and presodent is AIPAC-approved.