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fuck off with that
a) no fucking way fighters are that high in misogyny. at the very least they consistently let you play as women, which has to put them a fair way up there. there is more to misogyny than having horny character designs
b) bridget isn't objectified? camera doesn't ogle her, she's given a story where she self actualizes and is given internality that is reflected in her character design, design isn't even horny, especially by the standards of the franchise
c) i was specifically referring to an instance where a japanese dev went back and fixed an extant shitty tropey objectifying horny bullshit character (incredibly sexualized in her og design, being 14, plus all the transphobic jokes and inherent transphobia to the bit) by giving her internality as a character and making the gender stuff not just the trap narrative and instead allowing her to grapple with identity, as well as making her both way less sexualized AND an adult woman. please do not look at this and go "this isn't an improvement"
You think I was complaining about them being male dominated? The most immediate reference is Strive and you think the reason someone would call fighting games misogynistic is because there are too many dudes? My sister in christ, the horny designs are the issue?! Have you never pressed crouch with Jack-O'? Have you never been subjected to gifs of ramlethal's thigh fat jiggling? Have you just never even looked at Baiken?
(To be clear it's an issue with the genre, not Strive specifically, I'm just using this as the immediate reference.)
Alright, so you get that Strive is, uh, typical, but you're just in denial about Bridget. Even her fucking character portrait is a mild upskirt. She's no Baiken, but Baiken is not the line.
C is fair enough.
a) i obviously didn't think that, it was very clear you were complaining about them being horny. i was saying that being dominated by male characters is at LEAST as important when discussing whether something is misogynistic or not as how horny it is. i am aware that they are horny, i mentioned the designs as shorthand for that. also when going "it's more than just the character designs!" you said "have you looked at baiken???" which is an example of... character design. but allow me to rephrase: there is more to misogyny than being horny
b) "Even her fucking character portrait is a mild upskirt."
this is a normal outfit. i see people wearing skirts like that all the time. you can see a hint of what looks to me like a pair of modesty shorts underneath, but i am only just now learning this because you have to REALLY zoom in, which i never did because why on earth would i? even if i were to concede that the art is horny (which i really don't, this is such a normal outfit. i wear skirts that short sometimes!) that does not equal objectification, which is when women are reduced to sex objects. bridget is not being reduced to a sex object here, she is a character with agency in the story and a good, resonant character arc
this is in contrast to what i was discussing in point c, which was the most important point. she USED to be exactly as objectified as you said, with her existing solely so the game could be horny about her and set up transmisogynistic punchlines.
compare. in strive she is a person, in her og appearance she was just a sex object. there is a difference between a woman in a kinda skimpy outfit and a woman who is being objectified