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And he was a mentally ill schizophrenic...
So are millions of people who have never stabbed anyone.
Yeah... just saying that might have something to do with it. Or is it to your mind completely irrelevant...?
It genuinely could be completely irrelevant. Was he suffering a psychotic episode during the attack?
By saying "he stabbed people because he's schizophrenic", you're grouping millions of innocent people in with a murderer in a way that is no more fair than the far-right scum who immediately say "I bet he's a Muslim".
Not only does that discourage people from seeking help and turn them into pariahs, it contributes functionally nothing to our understanding of why this happened because not all mentally ill people are violent and not all violent people are mentally ill.
Or, you know, his mental illnesses could be a factor...
Tell us more doctor, since you have information none of us seem to.
I really feel like it's more common sense than anything else.
A person who is mentally ill and has done violent things, doesn't mean they did those violent things because of their illness.
In fact, your "common sense" isn't even supported by science.
Only 10-15% of schizophrenic people exhibit violent tendencies
Schizophrenic people living in communities are up to 14x more likely to be the victim of violence rather than the perpetrator
Finally, this is anecdotal, but for whatever it's worth, I have multiple (3) friends who are schizophrenic and they are genuinely the kindest people I know, whether or not they are on their medication.
Stop vilifying the mentally ill.
Everything is an offense, a battle to be won... just stop, breathe.
Right, so a schizophrenic commits violent murders, and your argument is that the mental illness is to be considered irrelevant?
Please don't tell me to stop and breathe, I'm fully calm in this discussion.
My argument is that no one in this thread is a psychologist who has evaluated the schizophrenic person. Not you, not me, not anyone else. We can speculate as to the cause, but making prescriptive statements like "he did this because he has schizophrenia" only serve to stigmatize the condition further when we truly have no idea if that was the cause.
I'm not talking about your calmness but your overreaction.
You don't need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor. I'm not saying his mental illness was the reason.
It's not an overreaction. It's a reaction to someone being ignorant and repeating the same thing over and over. And yes, you need to be a psychiatrist to determine that. Specifically, you need to be their psychiatrist. You don't diagnose people off a news article. Stop it.
Mentally ill man did insane thing. Could his illness be a factor? Yes, obviously!! Are you people for fucking real?!!
~~You don't need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor.~~
~~I'm not saying his mental illness was the reason.~~
~~Please continue saying more contradictory statements.~~
~~If you think it could be a factor, then you think it might be a reason that he did this. It could be a factor, but again, neither of us are equipped to evaluate the mental status of someone based on news articles.~~
Edit: Factor =/= Reason. My argument in this message is flatly incorrect due to this, though I'll leave it up.
Factor and reason is not the same thing...
You know what, you're right. Looks like I've gone too long assuming they were interchangeably usable by changing the surrounding words.
I'll redact my previous statement, though to be clear, I still strongly disagree that one could say that the attackers schizophrenia was definitely a factor in this without having a previously existing mental evaluation and the expertise to understand it. You could say that it's more likely to have been influenced by his schizophrenia, but as I previously noted, a relatively small minority of schizophrenic people are violent (10-15%).
Fair enough! 🙂
Or you know it maybe wasn't a factor.
Well, clearly it was.
It's about as clear as racial profiling is. Which means not at all.
What? Racial profiling. What are you talking about?
What are you talking about? You are demonizing mental illness despite people providing you with statistics to the contrary. You push this "they were mentally ill and that is why they did it" narrative despite not being a doctor, not being their doctor, not being involved with the investigation. Just stop.
I never did that, I never said that. This made up outrage of yours speaks for itself, but it's tiresome.
All you are doing is exactly that. That is why I am calling you out. That is why the other person is calling you out.
He/she rescinded their statement, we came to an agreement.
You however just seems to make things up for some reason.
May or may not be relevant. Statistically, people with illnesses like schizophrenia are no more likely to commit violent crimes than the general population (but are more likely to be victims of violent crimes). There are documented cases of people with schizophrenia killing or commiting other violent acts in response to delusions, but it's usually in an act that they perceive as self-defense rather than being driven by malice or desire to harm. I.e., it's generally more like "I killed my dad because he was going to kill me" rather than "I went out and murdered some random women because no women like me."
What's your point?
What was his?
It was his knife
And there are also millions of people who have never had a gf, who have never stabbed anyone.