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I honestly would trust the Mafia in charge over republicans.
At least the mob generally has something that halfway kind of sort of a little bit resembles lines they won't cross.
The mob is also competent
Were they really though? Like outside out the quick joke people make about mafia vs government were they really that competent? I feel like people have romanticized the mafia a little bit, like historically that doesn’t seem accurate.
You have to remember that Guliani went after the Italian mob when he was mayor of NYC. But he did not go after the Russian mob. This created a power vacuum that the Russians were happy to fill. So, when we are talking about the GOP, we’re talking the Russian mob, not the Italian one. The former does not have many lines they won’t cross.
fuck at least the Japanese ultra-fasch mob has cool tattoos.
I'm dead fucking serious. If you had to pick that total fucking caricature of a mob boss or Trump to run this country. Hand to fucking god which one do you choose.
Fat Tony without even a fraction of hesitation. It's actually difficult for me to think of many people, real or fictional, I'd choose Trump over. I'd rather have Skeletor.
Would make for an interesting watch, seeing his run for the presidency.
He'd be rejected by both parties, though. Too evil for Democrats, not evil enough for Republicans.
The debates would be a sight to see though.
Nobody could accuse Skeletor of being low energy! Nyeh-heh-heh!
I'd love to see Trump say something so batshit crazy, and then see Skeletor respond to that like how he does with other things that he feels are so insane and drives him crazy.
"Welcome to the Skeletor/Biden debate! On this side of the stage, we have the ancient skeleton whose sunken, glowing eyes strike terror in his enemies... and on the other side we have Skeletor."
eh, you give the dems too much/little credit.
Fat Tony isn’t crippled by personality disorders
the only maybes are like biden Hitler netenyahu.I'd choose Mao in a heartbeat. id consider pol pot (and I wear glasses)
Johnny Tightlips as Press Secretary.
I ain't sayin' nuthin'.
I mean, Fat Tony actually cares for his people. If everyone were his people, he might actually be a real good guy…
Oh, Fat Tony.
I would choose the protagonist of any of the 'yakuza' games over either leading presidential candidate.
I mean, yah? They are written as criminals with hearts of gold.
so you admit that's better than american presidents?
It’s just an odd one to mention because, obviously.
but its not. a lot if criminals ive met were good people. none of the politicians ive met (mostly house and state level) didn't immediately trip every single alarm in my head.
Yakuza is fiction. The characters are not realistic. No I don’t think criminals are constant evil or some other binary view of a human being. Though unlike the games I don’t know each of them individually like I do the yakuza protagonists.
well, as someone who's met a good handful of politicians and lots of criminals? the criminals are usually better people, never, so far, worse ones. yes I'm including meth head Nazis, in and out if congress, in this.
I'm not really sure what this conversation is. I just thought saying you would rather an Yakuza protagonist was just an obvious better choice since the way they are written. I wasn't trying to start a conversation about "criminals" in real life.
I think what you're assessing to be an obvious better choice isn't. What would the Yakuza protagonist' view on capital punishment be? That they're written to have a heart of gold doesn't define their morals outside the scope of being Yakuza. To prefer that is to accept that their morals are more likely to transcend the power structure they exist in vs politicians. Fictional or not, I think it's interesting someone would consider this to be the case. It's not as though the games romanticise Yakuza as moralistic. The pretense for pretty much all the drama in the series is violent disagreement with other Yakuza, behaviour I'd doubt is what the commenter is generally looking for in a political leader.
They responded after the comments were talking about the real mafia. So when someone says hell I rather the Yakuza game series protagonist after real people it does seems way more obvious. If the comment existed in a bubble and was only directly comparing them to the candidates then yah you would be correct.
I mean Kiryu spends most of the games NOT being one. He is brought back In like a retired cop every game. Does he commit crimes? He defends himself quite a bit, in doing so he causes property damage. What big crimes does he commit in the series? I’m trying to think. I mean he uses knifes and guns but people all end the same way regardless if you used a bicycle or hand gun. If anything the game don’t romanticize it barely says anything about the real Yakuza at all.
That's fair enough, I'm literally just playing through the games now and felt compelled to comment. Kiryu's fundamental value system is presented to us at face value right from his first interaction with Majima in the opening of the first game. He's prepared and unconflicted about fighting Majima, just not for no reason like Majima wants. Kiryu has to have "a reason" to engage in actions typical of Yakuza, though the specific parameters of his reasoning aren't quantified. It's just whatever makes innate sense to him in the moment, which I'm interpreting as a rejection of conventional moral barriers to action. He'll do whatever it takes to achieve the end he seeks, and the only difference between him and other Yakuza (or indeed Yakuza in real life) in this respect is that the ends he's seeking are noble/just. i.e. "chaotic good", with Majima the protagonist being his "chaotic neutral" counterpart. TBH I can't really speak for Tak or Ichi because I haven't finished those games, but the gist I got of what the commenter is saying is that they think although the base case for most people would be to prefer lawful-aligned governance, the outcomes secured by being chaos-aligned would justify their chaos.
Shut your God damn month. If I've learned anything from Trump it is 'ask and you shall revieve.'
given "revieve" is not a word, your response is perfect, even if you did make it with your "month".
If you cared what you said, you wouldn't have these problems
Ha! Gottem.
I dont even care which one.