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Israeli minister Ben Gvir calls for execution of Palestinian prisoners to ease overcrowding (www.middleeasteye.net)

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Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel's far-right national security minister, has called for the execution of Palestinian prisoners to ease overcrowding in the country's jails.

Writing on social media, he welcomed a decision by the Israeli army to build 936 additional prison places for "security prisoners". "The additional construction will allow the prison service to take in more terrorists, and will bring a partial solution to the prison crisis that exists in the Shabak," he said, referring to the Israeli Prison Service.

"The death penalty for terrorists is the right solution to the incarceration problem, until then - glad that the government approved the proposal I brought."

During a visit by members of the Public Defender’s Office, squalid conditions were noted, including "intolerable overcrowding", with less than three square metres of space per person, poor sanitary conditions, pest issues, inadequate ventilation, and a lack of basic necessities for the incarcerated.

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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

How do they define security prisoners in this context? Is this Gitmo or Aushwitz? Both are war crimes.

Also, you would think these Israeli leaders would be more careful about using the word solution in the context of murdering the fuck out of your political prisoners.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

Since Palestinians have no human or civil rights under Israeli Occupation, they can be detained and convicted with no to little evidence. Subject only to military courts they have no fair trial and it's quite normal to coerce (false) confessions. This includes children.

Military Courts - B'TSelem

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests - Amnesty International

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

After spending the morning reading about the history of Zionism and direct quotes from a bunch of those dudes, honestly, your comment sounds like everything is going exactly to plan.

'In 1938, Ben Gurion described the conflict with the Arabs as "in its essence a political one... politically we are the aggressors and they [the Arabs] defend themselves." Israeli historian Benny Morris affirms Ben Gurion's description, saying: "Ben-Gurion, of course, was right" and goes on to describe Zionism as "a colonizing and expansionist ideology and movement" whose "ideology and practice were necessarily and elementally expansionist." Morris describes the Zionist goal of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine as necessarily displacing and dispossessing the Arab population. The practical issue of establishing a Jewish state in a majority non-Jewish and Arab region was a fundamental issue for the Zionist movement. Revisionist Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky described the notion of "transfer" (the Zionist euphemism for ethnic cleansing of the Arab Palestinian population) as a "brutal expulsion" which could resolve this challenge. The idea of transfer was not unique to Revisionist Zionism, in fact, as explained by Morris, "the idea of transferring the Arabs out... was seen as the chief means of assuring the stability of the 'Jewishness' of the proposed Jewish State".

According to Morris, the idea of ethnically cleansing the land of Palestine was to play a large role in Zionist ideology from the inception of the movement. He explains that "transfer" was "inevitable and inbuilt into Zionism" and that a land which was primarily Arab could not be transformed into a Jewish state without displacing the Arab population. Further, the stability of the Jewish state could not be ensured given the Arab population's fear of displacement. He explains that this would be the primary source of conflict between the Zionist movement and the Arab population.'

Mind you, that's Wikipedia, but none the less.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, Transfer has been part of Zionism since 1882. Books by New Historians definitely go into much more detail and sources than any news article.

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha

A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe

The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe

The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim

The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

This is why human rights should apply to humans, and not citizens.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Absolutely. I think the deliberate deprivation of water is the most cruel part of this apartheid.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago

So... Basically FISA?

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Closer to Guantamino Bay, but worse. I don't think Guantamino has a history of abuse and torture of children like the Israeli military prisons.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

If they're talking about murdering their charges, Auschwitz seems like the close comparison.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

Closer to Gitmo, in that a percentage of the prisoners are actually a threat to "peace" and have committed various crimes. Also like Gitmo a percentage are only in there because their neighbor wanted to steal their land.

[-] livus@mander.xyz 8 points 8 months ago

We will never even know if anyone in Guantanamo is even a terrorist though.

You just assume they are because that's what Rumsfeld and Cheney told you.

But without due process there's no actual way of determining it.

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