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[-] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago

That's a good question! But it's one I ask myself every time someone complains about the Dems not doing enough when they had full control of Congress.

"Why didn't they pass a student loan bill or abortion protection or $15 minimum wage when they had the chance?" Manchen and Sinema.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Student loans: they didn't even bother trying to pass anything while Democrats had the majority.

$15 minimum wage: there were 8 members of the Democratic caucus who hated workers enough to go on the record as voting against it.

Don't pretend Manchin and Sinema are the full extent of a problem with the party writ large.

[-] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago

Student loans: But it was the fact that Democrats couldn't even have gotten all their members on board for student loan forgiveness that likely kept them from putting it in the bill, experts say. Given the party's razor-thin majority, the opposition of one Democrat can derail the entire legislation.

$15 Minimum wage: Sinema famously voted it down.

How exactly does either of these reflect badly on Biden? The whole point is that people like you are forgetting that Biden couldn't do it alone and that we need more Dems in Congress so that people like her can be put in a corner and ignored. A vote for Biden isn't an endorsement of all Dems. If you live in a district where a moderate Dem is representing you than do your part in the primaries. If you don't, do your part in voting in better/more Dems so we can religate the moderates.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Student loans: But it was the fact that Democrats couldn’t even have gotten all their members on board for student loan forgiveness that likely kept them from putting it in the bill, experts say. Given the party’s razor-thin majority, the opposition of one Democrat can derail the entire legislation.

This is speculation for why Democrats didn't even bother to try.

$15 Minimum wage: Sinema famously voted it down.

Along with 7 other members of the Democratic caucus who hate workers.

How exactly does either of these reflect badly on Biden?

I didn't say they did. You were trying to blame the actions of the party writ large on two senators. I was correcting you. Nice attempt at diversion.

The whole point is that people like you are forgetting that Biden couldn’t do it alone and that we need more Dems in Congress so that people like her can be put in a corner and ignored.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how big the majority we have is. Democrats find the no votes to kill progressive policy. I remember when we had a supermajority and gee, wouldn't you just know it, we had just enough votes to kill the public option. There are always just enough manchins.

If you live in a district where a moderate Dem is representing you than do your part in the primaries. If you don’t, do your part in voting in better/more Dems so we can religate the moderates.

Yeah. I've seen exactly how that works. Jessica Cisneros was in the primary in the district next to mine. The national party threw its weight behind the incumbent, Henry Cuellar, an anti-choice, anti-labor NRA stooge. In my district, progressive Michelle Vallejo had her funding cut during the crucial last month of the campaign. This was during the campaign season in which the party did ad buys for MAGA candidates. The party would rather spend money on MAGA chuds and let a progressive lose a competitive race. Your advice regarding local primaries and local elections is useless, and I suspect you know it and are gloating.

Manchin-style centrists ARE the party.

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