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They unfortunately do, but at that age the brain is still partially goo:
And this kid was 7 yrs old.
The kid is rotten. While he may still be developing, most kids do not kill strangers in cold blood. He was either already on track to develop into a psychopath, or the murder firmly put him on that path. Note how he got caught because he was bragging about it.
Is it too late to save the kid? Maybe not, it's certainly worth trying. But considering what he did, and the environment he's living in, I don't foresee him getting the dedicated mental resources he needs.
I always wonder why people think murderers are "worth saving". My guy stole someone's entire life, why should he get to have one and have special attention made to it?
The scope is far greater than eye for an eye. While they'll never be able to undo what they did, there is a possibility that they may make positive contributions to society. Contributions that could save multiple lives. That's not even going into the problems of allowing a state to ritualistically murder people.
What if we measure that some people make a negative contribution to society ?
I don't mean criminals even, just people who are for a reason or another, a net loss, and we know for sure.
You'll always have people who are a net loss. That's the whole point of living in a society, to overcome together and take care of those that cannot take care of themselves. If everyone was self sufficient, we never would have joined together to be the herd animals that we are.
"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members."
This.
Then talk of rehabilitation because they might make a positive contribution undermines that.
I disagree that it undermines that at all. Some people are able to be rehabilitated, some aren't. Aside from that, are you trying to say that because someone is a net loss to society they should just be cast aside?
In addition, rehabilitation, like other complex psychological things like grief, is not a linear nor fully understood thing. Someone exhibiting anti-social behavior may not be able to be rehabilitated at a given time due to many possible factors, be it intrinsic to the individual or collective knowledge. Even if one cannot be safely re-integrated into society, there are ways that they can voluntarily contribute and likely would choose to, even if it were for selfish reasons (ex. many serial killers are aware that there is something profoundly wrong with them and happy to contribute data to prevent others or get their names in books).
If you don’t want people to compare this to Naziism, perhaps don’t just reinvent the concept of “useless eaters.”
I'm sorry, but the logic is built in to
"While they’ll never be able to undo what they did, there is a possibility that they may make positive contributions to society. Contributions that could save multiple lives."
When used as a justification to oppose
"I always wonder why people think murderers are “worth saving”. My guy stole someone’s entire life, why should he get to have one and have special attention made to it?"
It’s just violence all the way down with you people, isn’t it?
You: “I don’t like murderers, so I want the government to become the murderer of murderers!”
This doesn't even remotely address my genuine question. It's just dickheadedness all the way down with you people isn't it?
You: "I just make random shit up and say you said it, I'm infinitely intelligent."
People thinking like a premeditated murderer when is obviously an impulse act that got their hands on a loaded gun and a brain full of movies tell him that's for pointing and shooting.
He probably did it because that's what guns do you point them at heads and click them.
Then shit got way more real than he ever imagined. And it's too late now. Imagine "oh shit I'm in trouble" of kids doing stupid stuff. Except this time mommy can't help. Nobody can't help.
Though shit for a 7 year old, I almost can't believe he kept it in for more than two years
With real guns, you don't click them but instead you use your actual hands and finger to make em fire.
Jokes aside, you could update your initial example from movie to vgame and click would make more sense contextually :)
also, that was the first thing I said to myself, how the hell can a youngin hold something in THAT FUCKING SERIOUS for THAT FUCKING LONG?! I did dumb shit as a kid and a few weeks of guilt were hell. We ain't all built the same i guess
I read things like this and they make reasonable sense, but at the same time I'm fairly sure I remember being much younger than that and still knowing that it'd be wrong to kill someone.
I assumed Barqs was talking about the Grandfather who kept a 9mm in his glovebox.