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Settlers are occupiers and therefore, not civilians.
Including people who didn't really decide on where to live, like their children?
Well that's an interesting moral line in the sand to draw in this case.
https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/six-wars-old/
I think wanting to avoid innocent civilian deaths is a moral line that is valid for both sides.
While I agree with that, it doesn't feel like your question to the other commenter carries quite the weight in this specific context as it might in others given that neither side has been clean about this, and it's not the Palestinian side that has intentionally blown up a playground within the past week.
I do generally think it's hard to equate the two fairly in this context, given the power differential between the two forces and their relative capabilities to be discerning if they so chose.
I apologize if I misunderstood you, but there is no both sides here. The united nations recognizes the right to armed struggle against occupation.
https://www.cjpme.org/fs_236/
It even mentions the Palestinian struggle explicitly.
Adults who were born in Israel, yes, children, no, but your handwringing is funny, since dead Israeli toddlers are purely hypothetical, and you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.
Stick your hand in a blender and turn it on.
I do. Mentioning civilian victims on Israeli an side doesn't mean I don't care about civilian victims on Palestinian side, this point was simply already covered largely.
Also please refrain from personal attacks and other violence threats.
You: actively defending genocide
Also you: PLZ NO PERSONAL ATTACKS CIVILITY IS IMPORTANT
No, I am not defending the war crimes of Israeli army nor the ones of Hamas. Just read what I wrote, there's no more to imagine.
You're pointing out the crimes of the victims rather than the oppressors. That's defense of the oppressors no matter how many mental backflips you do to pretend it's not
What my comrades said, and also, stick your other hand in the blender too
That's a pretty serious claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
I find different sources saying about 30 children were murdered, but given that some bodies were mutilated or burnt the counts are not obvious. https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozens-of-children-died-in-hamas-oct-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/
Killed by who?
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
I'm aware that some of the hostages that were taken were children. All accounts suggest that they were treated well, for hostages anyway. Its important to recognize that the Zionist regime keeps thousands upon thousands of Palestinian hostages, many of which are children. The Zionists could have negotiated an exchange, ensuring the safe return of all Israeli hostages. Instead, they decided to bomb the living shit out of Gaza, pretty much ensuring their demise.
This is fake and discredited
It's tragic, but that's what happens when your state primarily defends itself with human shields.
Which state are you talking about?
Palestine is a country, not a state.
In my main language those are often confused, so let me rephrase, which country?
Israel is a state, not a country.
No, I'm pretty sure Israel is a country.
Why would there be Israeli children inside places like the West Bank or Gaza?
Because they were reborn there or moved by their parents.
Why would an Israeli family be living in the West Bank or Gaza? And who would be more likely to be killing their children, Israeli occupation forces or Palestinian resistance to the occupation forces?