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I can't install fedora because they require you to have a mouse connected by cable to your computer to install.
It's absurd. I only have a Bluetooth mouse and you can't get to the Bluetooth connect screen. So Mint it was.
I even saw someone complaining about this on the fedora forum and the response was totally "Do you not have mice?" energy.
What stopped the install process working without a mouse?
Surely they'd have a keyboard navigation method.
They do... For the first screen of the welcome page only. When it gets to connect WiFi the keyboard nav is broken. Tabbing doesn't work.
Beyond that if you hit alt F4 to close the welcome page you get to your desktop, but Fedora doesn't come with any predefined hotkeys (or at least none of them worked on Fedora 39, if there were any - it might have been part of the welcome screen). So I couldn't open up a terminal or anything to actually get to useful controls.
After an hour of fighting with this and seeing useless forum posts I scrapped it and installed Mint, where they actually bothered to let you open up Bluetooth connection management with only a keyboard.
You could've shifted into tty mode from there I think, but they don't have a hotkey for a terminal emulator up. You probably also could've just hit the super key and used the search bar for "ter-" and it'll pull it up, hit enter, and it'll launch. Personally if none of that worked I would've went to walmart and bought the cheapest little logitec mouse with a usb dongle or borrowed one from work for a few days because they're cool like that.
Of course, you shouldn't have to find a work around even if there are some, so there's that too.
In theory super + term should've worked but in reality super didn't open up search.
It was incredibly cursed.
Ultimately Mint was 0 effort so I'll be sticking with it. It's only a little toy laptop anyways.
couldn't you have just used the laptop's built-in pointing device, plugged in a wired mouse or paired BT via console... instead of dying on this hill?
It was a mainboard not a full laptop. No built in pointing device.
Couldn't open the console because fedora would not accept any keystrokes to open terminal.
I don't have a USB c mouse.
The only way to fix this would be purchasing a USB c mouse. I'm not installing fedora to pay more.
That's an obviously poor take. If only laptop users could get past the screen then it's still broken.
None of the options I gave are exclusive to laptops.
You were literally responded by suggesting they use their laptop's HID, then suggested a wired mouse which they said they didn't have, then suggested using the console which the install process doesn't advertise as a possibility to the user.
Poor UX is a bug, it needs to be updated.
I don't disagree with that at all. I was responding specifically to where you said "if only laptop users could", and I was just stating that the options I presented did not have a laptop as a prerequisite in order to use said options. It still needs fixing as you said, I just don't agree with OP's swift dismissal of the entire distro as a non-starter for the reason stated.
If this ever happens to you again, you can try doing
ctrl + alt + < F1 - F12>. That will bring up different screens/terminals and its so baked into linux it might have still worked even in that broken state. Still bonkers the installer didn't accept keyboars info though. Its ironic because so much of my linux experience has been about reducing mouse/touchpad use.It didn't work. I tried so many different options. I got to the point where I was facerolling the keyboard with all sorts of different options.
This is something acknowledged by Fedora devs: It's not my imagination.
Here's the link
I can’t imagine not having a plethora of mice and keyboards in PS/2, USB, wireless, and BT varieties. Like an unnecessary amount.
I've literally had no corded mice and keyboards since like 2010s.
Corded maybe. But most of wireless mouses even today come with little usb dongle and that should work. Only the bluetooth one dosent apparently. Which makes sense. I mean why would it work out of the box with your computer.
You think people have multiple PS/2 mice in 2024?
I didn’t say that. I was speaking for myself.
…but yes
many people don't even own a usb mouse.
I consider myself a huge nerd but I would be surprised if I even still have a ps/2 mouse somewhere.
Maybe I’m just old, then. I have every type of tech I would possibly need to troubleshoot any machine I could imagine… thinking about throwing away my parallel cables, I’m like “what if an HP Laserjet Series II needs help?!”
Do we share a closet?
Some of us don't throw out old stuff just cause it is old, lol, my closet is angry with me cries in 486
Sure, but even folks who hoard stuff might be old enough to have never had one. Even at 32 I've never had one before. My dad might have one somewhere though.
You have a corded USB c mouse?
Nah, just regular type.
USB-C keyboard, though!
Yeah my mainboard is USB c only. I had an old USB A mouse but that doesn't help.
Corded USB-C nice are rare! There’s some cordless though.
Never heard of a mainboard with only USB-C!
Look up the framework laptop - the mainboard is USB c only with modular adapters for other options
Neat!
I do