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Meanwhile, Biden's opposition literally attempted to ban Muslims from entering the country during his previous stint.
So what? Why should that even enter the conversation when we're talking about an active GENOCIDE?
People can have more than one thing they consider important, you know. "This one thing that matters to me is happening, no other events are relevant" is a poor mindset, IMO.
Besides, would Trump be handling Israel any better than Biden? Does he have some soft spot for Gaza that we're all unaware of? Because I'm pretty sure he's been sucking Netanyahu's dick for years already, too.
When that one thing is a genocide, I think it's pretty fair to focus on. We're not talking about our candidate's favorite flavor of ice cream.
If neither candidate will stop the genocide, it's our responsibility to refuse both candidates. Voting for Hindenburg didn't stop the Holocaust.
Okay, well reality doesn't really afford us this option, as much as we'd like it. We can piss and moan all day about what we should do, but that's a separate discussion from what we can do. And what we can do is make our votes be as impactful as possible with the options we have available.
You can do much more than vote. There's people getting beat to shit by cops all over the country proving it.
This whole 'you have a moral obligation to vote for 99% Hitler' thing is pretty tired, as the logical conclusion of that line of reasoning is that you should vote for Hitler if anyone worse than Hitler is on the ballot.
Right, but this is specifically about the election, where the one and only thing you can do is vote. At the end of the day, we're all still looking at the same two options on the ballot, that part isn't changing.
All appearances to the contrary, I am going to vote. I'm voting for the PSL candidate, Claudia de la Cruz, because she does not support genocide.
Oh, you believe in the viability of a third party vote in 2024. Sorry, I thought I was taking to a serious person, my bad.
Yes, I refuse to vote for genocide. No, I'm not under the impression de la Cruz will win the presidency.
You do not have the moral high ground here, friend, and trying to talk down to people will not help you reclaim it.
I'm not giving Trump an advantage by throwing away my vote, so I'd argue that I do have a moral high ground in this case. By (effectively) not voting, you're demonstrating that you wanna see how Trump will handle Israel, instead. That's not a concession I'm willing to make, myself.
Argue all you want: you're here saying you're going to vote for a genocide and scolding others for refusing. If you want to call that moral, I guess I can't stop you.
I do speak out against it, I'm not sure why you assume I wouldn't. However, my options at the polls remain: Vote Trump, and help Trump suck Bibi's dick, vote Biden and help Biden suck Bibi's dick, or not vote/vote third party and go back to helping Trump suck Bibi's dick.
No matter what, the US's stance on Israel is still going to be shit and we'll continue supporting their genocide. But I'm gonna go with the guy who at least shows some resistance to Israel (however pitiful it may be).
This isn't the kind of year to be goofing around with your vote for the sake of sending a message because, in case you haven't noticed, there's a fuckin genocide happening right now and Trump would be the worst possible choice for handling a genocide. Save the third party push for a time when it actually has a chance; active genocides are not that time, and it's incredibly selfish to hold your values over the actual victims of genocide.
You can vote how you want, I can't change that. But just know that by voting third party this year, you're effectively doing the most possible damage to Gaza, in the name of showing how much you support them. I dunno how the binding irony of it hasn't already snapped you back to reality yet.
Palestinians aren't asking you to vote for Biden, you might notice. Arab Americans are voting for him in significantly lower numbers, in fact. If you want to pretend like you care about victims, maybe listen to them.
And, for what it's worth, a vote for Biden is a vote for Biden. He doesn't care if you scold him as long as you vote for him. Any 'activism' you engage in ultimately means nothing if you give him your vote at the end of the day.
And really, please quit with the 'not voting is a vote for Trump' thing. It's a vote for Trump as much as it's a vote for Biden—which is to say, it helps neither. The implicit assumption under saying it helps Trump is that my vote belongs rightfully to Biden.
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