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[-] Cuntessera@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago

It’s not up to GNOME to do others work for them. If Mint wants a specific styling for their desktop, they should fork it (which they’re already doing) since everything is open source. It’s not like GNOME is gonna hunt them down for forking and creating a new product altogether lmfao. Cut the crap.

[-] danielfgom@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

Gnome Foundation likes to think of themselves as the pioneer in DE's and the default choice for Linux. Which was true for a long time. Cinnamon and Mate run Gnome, for example. I'm not sure about XFCE.

If you're THE leading DE project at least try to accommodate those DE's that depend on your code or meet with them to inform them well in advance and discuss the best options for those DE's.

In other words, work together for the good of all users instead of doing your own little thing in the corner and leave the others to deal with the mess you made....

[-] Cuntessera@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

I think the topic of LibAdwaita was discussed plenty when shit hit the fan 2-3 years ago. Downstream developers can’t act all innocent and misinformed now when there was a huge drama between Budgie and GNOME upon LibAdwaita’s announcement.

GNOME developers repeatedly asked downstream developers to stop theming their apps which was generating endless bug reports for issues not caused by upstream code and none of them bothered to listen to them or work with them on a fix. Their choice of developing their own widget kit is a wise one because they’d otherwise still be wasting valuable developer time on fixing issues they should not be responsible for.

When one doesn’t take “no” for an answer, you’d have to forcibly make them stop. Just my two cents 🤷🏻‍♂️

[-] danielfgom@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Thank you for that context. I was unaware of that.

I certainly get your point. If downstream won't engage constructively then upstream is free to do what they feel is right.

[-] baru@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

If you're THE leading DE project at least try to accommodate those DE's that depend on your code or meet with them to inform them well in advance and discuss the best options for those DE's.

It's always easy to say that other people should do more work to benefit others. Libawaita isn't anything new. It was announced loads of times.

In other words, work together for the good of all users

That the current status isn't what you want isn't the same as not working together. Further, there's usually a limited amount of time and attention.

Within Linux there's loads and loads of opinions. Loads of different desktop environments. That complexity cost development time. Time that isn't infinite. Again, it seems to easy to direct how others should spend their time and/or to argue that they aren't doing enough for your liking.

[-] danielfgom@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Indeed.

Someone else replied to me with fantastic context I want aware of.

Here's their reply: https://lemmy.world/comment/9847230

It seems Gnome did try to work with downstream but the engagement wasn't there.

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