276
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 03 May 2024
276 points (96.3% liked)
World News
38930 readers
2207 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Defending your country against an invading army is dumb?
That's not that the commenter said. You can abhor the death of 100 people, and still commend Ukraine for defending itself.
Those soldiers were most likely high value targets. They aren't going to wast high value weapons on grunts. Their elimination would likely save the lives of many Ukrainian civilians.
You can but they didn't. Sometimes it's worth the extra effort to also write "Putin is dumb."
Armies and invasion are dumb
a lot of these Russian soldiers don't want to fight. when you hear 100 soldiers dead, it's not 100 Putins. it's just 100 regular people like you and me in a fucked up situation. good for Ukraine for protecting themselves, but "wiped out 100 russian troops" sounds like you're killing ants. they're still people.
Right now we should care about the Ukrainian casualties because they are the ones defending themselves against Russian occupation. Russian soldiers are part of an invading force and the fewer Russian troops the sponer the war will end. It does not matter how many are there willingly or not when they are part of an occupying force.
We can care about the conscripted Russian soldiers who were forced to fight against their will after the war.
Nah I'll care about all humans now, thanks.
Cool. Take it up with Putin since he is the reason they are dead.
I don't have a direct line to Putin to take it up with him.
Valuing human life isn't coming across as approval of Putin's actions, is it? Cause that would be a weird conclusion to draw, imho.
It isn't weird to think you are shilling for Russia based on the context.
Yes, I think it is weird. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is unconscionable and tragic. This view does not conflict with expressing remorse that 100 human beings were killed in the blink of an eye. The fact that you think holding the latter opinion means the person must be making a political statement is sad.
I care quite a bit about the Russian soldiers who left Russia.
I care quite a bit about the Russian soldiers who waved the white flag.
I care quite a bit about the Russian solders who refused their orders and stayed in Russia.
I do not care about the Russian invaders. They made their choice, they will now live (or die) with them.
Maybe in 2022 or early 2023. But it’s increasingly people who sign up because it pays well (archive.is link to bloomberg article, telegram link if you understand Russian).
sounds like a lot of people joined because of the concert attack and Russian saying it was Ukraine.
Only professional and volunteers in Ukraine.. contractniki. Conscripts are used to fill homeland positions.
Granted.. some are voluntold.. but I would not characterize it as "a lot" but "some"..
Counting the volunteers who went to war willingly only to find themselves as cannon fodder and now regret their decision as "don't want to fight" is not correct.. because if properly supplied or when easily winning these guys would be wiping out ukranians with a smile on their face.
If they don't want to die they're free to march on the Kremlin, instead. Kremlin guards have fewer weapons than the Ukrainian army.
Imagine you’re in Russia. You see every person who was ever a real threat to the government die or disappear. You can’t flee the country. A coup is highly unlikely; Prigozhin just tried it and the plane he was on mysteriously blew up. You don’t have a lot of options. Makes sense to take your chances against Ukraine than try to overthrow the Russian military/government.
What really needs to happen is for war law to be changed to allow heads of state and government buildings to be targeted. Then they’d be a lot more careful about going to war.
Not in a strategic sense, no, because Kremlin guards are still less well armed than Ukraine. The trouble, of course, is that people are too scared to make that kind of cool-headed analysis but as soon as there's a crack in the regime because, say, Omon can't respond to lesser incidents because they're lying in a ditch in Ukraine the dam would break. Which OTOH is rather unlikely to happen because regime security is Putin's #1 concern, he'd let go of Ukraine before risking it, so he won't kill off their response capability like that. He may be mad but he's not crazy.
Bad idea. If Putin loses, the Siloviki have a good justification for a coup. If Putin gets assassinated, they'd be forced to declare him a martyr and continue the fight.
And Ukraine thinks the same or the SBU would already have gotten to him. They're also not touching the likes of Shoigu, they only target competent people: The more of a clown show the Russian regime is the easier the war becomes.