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All my real Americans from US State stand up!
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i'm saying that it makes no quantifiable difference, in the same way that me not voting, literally does nothing. The fact that you are also basically not voting (third party candidates pull basically nothing most of the time)
As a result, the likely people to go into power, are well... The two candidates who "support genocide" This is just how two party systems tend to work. You need like 5 different candidates with plurality voting for it to really matter. Once you start having that level of candidacy the numbers become significantly more spread out due to the fact that candidates have more varied policies. Moving it from majority vote win, to plurality vote win. I.E. Significantly more attainable, stable, and a lot more applicable to an entire countries governmental policies.
Maybe i'm fucking wrong, and maybe this third party individual is fucking incredible, once in a lifetime political handling abilities and is going to bump straight through all the bullshit and right into the presidency. I'm not willing to bet on it though. Currently the political system is so aggressively polarized, that we are "voting between a fascist, and someone who isn't that fascist" so if we want to "not be fascist" our best option here is going to be voting for the party who is "not fascist" because you can be sure as hell that conservatives aren't voting third party. Maybe they are, but not in any significant numbers, likewise can be said for the democratic party.
I simply do not see a situation where we come out of this without either trump, or biden in power. Unless i start hearing shit like, tomorrow, about this supposed third party. I simply don't think it's feasible for any other result. I can't imagine republicans are voting in any significant number against trump, most people who would are probably swing voters, so democrat this time around. Those who are voting for trump are going to be a significant portion of the base, probably at least 30% of the votes of that party. The democrats have the same issue. Most people are going to prefer voting for biden because incumbency and shit hasn't fucking exploded completely yet. I mean sure some people involved in the israel palestine stuff are probably voting third party, but i can't imagine they're a significant part of the populous. If they were we wouldn't be in this position that we are now.
At best, what voting for third party this time does is say "i didnt vote for joe biden, or trump" which like, you do you. But uh, good luck have fun with that one.
I'm gonna let you know right now that shaming people who don't vote for Biden is not a winning strategy and never will be.
Also saying Republicans are fascist and democrats aren't only appeals to liberals. Lefties fully believes both parties are fascist so that argument doesn't work either.
just for the record i'm not shaming people for how they vote, i'm shaming people for believing that there is some form of altruistic meaning in whoever you vote for. There isn't, there isn't a way to win, the entire point of voting is democratic compromise, you shouldn't feel like an in group, you shouldn't feel like an outgroup, you should feel like a contributor, because that's what you did. You contributed.
The rest is fair enough, but i wasn't going to interject a complete political paper into a comment about how voting is fucked up. Regardless, it serves it's purpose. Also i don't fully align with your interpretation of my statements, i bunched center leaning moderate types into the "swing voters" people who regularly change who they vote for because they generally don't care. This often leaves people who consistently vote for republican/democratic presidents. So most of who would be left is going to be maga/far right people, i.e. primarily trump voters. I don't want to say most left over democratic voters are going to vote biden, because i think there will be a significant upset, but i think it'll be most voters that end up voting for biden, like i said unless the third party gets like 30% percent votes or something, nothing unusual has happened.