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this post was submitted on 12 May 2024
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I hope this isn't law anywhere. You're liable for your car no matter what. You have to take control if necessary
I saw a headline about Mercedes offering an autopilot that doesn't require the driver to monitor, so it's going to be interesting to see how laws play out. The Waymo taxi service in Phoenix seems to occasionally run in with the law, and a remote service advisor has to field the call, advising the officer the company is responsible for the car's behavior, not the passenger.
So in theory the manufacturer takes responsibility because they trust their software. This puts the oness on them and their insurance, thereby reducing your insurance considerably. In actuality your insurance doesn't go down because insurance companies.
I'm not trying to be the grammar police, just thought you might like to know that it's "onus".
I'm and idiot. But I shall leave it for the sake of posterity. Thank you.
It's the reason why they prefer to offer only assistence systems. Aside from warning they can act, but they don't drive on there own. EU will even require some systems for new cars. They'll especially annoy people who ignore speed limits and don't use turn lights.
Nope, it should be law that if an auto manufacturer sells an autonomous driving system that they advertise being able to use while driving distracted then they are liable if someone uses it as advertised and per instructions.
What you wrote is probably an auto manufacturer executive's wet dream.
"You used our autonomous system to drive you home after drinking completely within advertised use and per manufacturer instructions and still got in an accident? Oh well tough shit the driver is liable for everything no matter what™️"
When autonomous cars are good enough to just drive people around then yeah the companies should be liable, but right now they're not and drivers should be fully alert as if they are driving a regular vehicle.
they become autonomous cars. It's not autopilot if I'm liable, simple as that.
Which is what would be per manufacturer instructions, which still falls under my definition
Replies aren't always in disagreement! I agree with what you are saying, just adding on my thoughts on information further up the thread too.
Ah I see, it didn't come across like it at first
There are already fully autonomous taxis in some cities. Tesla is nowhere near fully autonomous, but others have accomplished it.
"Accomplished" is a strong word for something as complex as autonomous driving.
Fair, but when a company is given the authority to run fully autonomous taxis in cities that's a huge accomplishment. Granted they are cities that don't see things like snow storms and I'm sure there is a good reason for that.
Manufacturers provide this feature for the implicit purpose of enabling distracted driving. Yet they will not accept liability if someone drives distractedly.
Next in We Are Not Liable For How Consumers Use Our Product, Elon will replace the speedometer by Candy Crush with small text that says "pwease do not use while dwiving UwU".
You choose to activate that mode, while I understand your sentiment and do agree, it's not as cut and dry as 'company liable' or 'driver liable', both can be at fault. Taking blame off drivers entirely could make people even less attentive and the safety of lives is more important than some fines to a car manufacturer. The real problem is that mode being allowed to exist at all. It's clearly not ready for use on public roads and companies are just abusing advertising to try and pin their 'autopilot' as something it isn't.
Also note: Some manufacturers (Volvo & Mercedes, that I know of) have already said they will claim full responsibility for their cars in self-driving mode.
What the fuck is the autonomous driving mode even for though? It seems like it's just a dangerous toy...
It's still in its infacy, eventually it will replace humans entirely and the roads will be much safer. Right now it's just like improved cruise control and kind of pointless.
Some manufacturers have already said they will claim full responsibility for their cars in self-driving mode, which makes sense to do.
I'll clarify: what is the actual purpose of giving customers access to this infantile technology? It doesn't make following traffic laws easier like cruise control does, it doesn't make drivers better at driving or safer behind the wheel, and it merely encourages distracted driving.
So why did they ship this product? Again, it just seems like a dangerous toy.
So I say it is law last time I've checked (which is a while back tbh), and you say "no, it should be law" in your opinion. You see it, right?
Autonomous systems aren't that trustworthy yet and you shouldn't drive drunk with them. Are they really advertised that way?
Some auto makers have said they will accept liability... https://www.thedrive.com/tech/455/volvo-accepting-full-liability-in-autonomous-car-crashes