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"b-but bears are actually dangerous!" Shut the hell up.
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So there mere presence of a man implies a lack of safety? It may be your feelings but it is also major misandry.
Lived experience shapes our reality. It's an absurdist analogy that paints the picture of women feeling unsafe around men they don't know due to their lived experience. It's not misandry, it's caution, anxiety, fear, and uncertainty. The outrage at such meme is pretty much indicative of the issue at hand. Men tend not to feel unsafe around women they don't know whereas the flipped scenario is the opposite. That says something about society, not women.
I don’t think it’s lived experience for many. Much of it is fear impressed by others. And I’ve certainly felt fear at being alone with the wrong woman, or a child. One false accusation and my life is over. I actively avoid being alone with women and children. But that doesn’t mean I’m picking bears over people.
Good lord, dude. When I was talking about fear, I meant fear for one's life or well-being. I also said "man they don't know," not "wrong." The people you should be directing your anger towards are those who have created an environment within society where women don't feel safe, which is other men who think they're entitled to women's bodies, who get angry when rejected instead of moving on, who commit acts of violence against women, and any other disgusting act you can think of. Your emotions are misdirected.
Who says I can only be angry at one group? I am angry with the men in that group, but also the people that would place me in that group merely because I also possess a penis.
No one is talking about your penis.
STILL DON'T GET IT HUH?
Let's reduce it down to the simplest way it can be put: how many bears rape women?
Get it now?
Misogynists can't accept it I guess.
How many men maul women to death?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-hospitalized-after-mother-bear-attack-butler-county/story?id=107861488
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bear-b-c-squamish-attack-1.7201905
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/us/grizzly-bear-attack-yellowstone-idaho-killed/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57763443#
Implying all men are rapists is misandry, period.
How many women get raped by bears?
The part you aren't getting is obvious, it's not misandry. The gymnastics you're going through to deny basic logic is impressive though. Thanks for the links, they were pointless. Trust me, if you want to compare lists, mine are longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_violence_against_women
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Incidents_of_violence_against_girls
https://www.nativehope.org/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-mmiw
https://people.com/crime/gallery-elizabeth-smart-jaycee-dugard-kidnapping-survivors/
https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-serial-killers-of-women/ranker-crime
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf
And in the overwhelming majority of these cases, the perpetrators are men, AND NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE WAS A BEAR.
Edit: and cute strawman, no one's implying ALL MEN, just the creeps. Which you might identify with but doesn't cover the entire gender. Women making the logical choice - pick from a population that def has rapist creeps or a population that isn't known for kidnapping and raping women, gee whiz batman...
Come on, this isn't calculus.
You have no understanding of statistics. How many more men does the typical woman encounter a day than bears? I’m willing to bet women encounter dozens or even hundreds of men, but pretty well zero bears. The RATE of bear attack per encounter is much higher than the rate per encounter with men.
And this hypothetical man is a stranger, whereas 8 out 10 rapes are committed by someone the victim knows.
Your argument makes no sense. Sorry, anyone who thinks they are safer with a random large wild carnivore that has sharp teeth and claws than a random human male is foolish.
And, yes, you are implying that all men are rapists. After all, the statement isn’t that you merely don’t FEEL safe, but that you are not safe, period in the presence of a man. Therefore it is implied the man will 100% harm you.
now let's talk about shark week
Oh don't get it twisted sparky, I'm a guy. I understand why women feel threatened because I've seen men be fucking creeps my entire life.
The bear will never rape the women. Get it through your dense fucking nugget. Goddamn it's been repeated over and over again.
Let me imply this: your defensiveness over this is hilarious. If you're not a creep predating on women, you wouldn't feel upset about this at all, it's simple math: the bear will never rape the women, keep it in a box, kidnap it, force it to bear children, etc, etc., etc, so no matter what statistics you want to pull out, it's NOTHING COMPARED TO THE HISTORICAL RECORD ALONE.
You do realize there are harms other than rape? You sure don’t seem to get that. You think rape is the only tragedy that can befall a woman.
I am no creep. But I am pissed that you think that the mere fact I have a penis means I’m some awful rapist women should be afraid of.
But you know what, since bears are so safe, why don’t you go have a nice encounter with a hungry mother grizzly.
Lemmy is so much nicer since I discovered tags.
changes the subject because he has no retort.
No, it's simply the one we were talking about at the moment. That and how women seem to prefer death by bear than trusting many men, and how guys like you are making that logic seem pretty fucking sound every response lol.
You realize men rape other men too right?
So you know, I'd actually pick the bear myself. Because THERE'S STILL NO HISTORY OF BEARS RAPING PEOPLE - MEN OR WOMEN.
Bellend.
The word used is safety, not rape. No subject changed.
I posit that women are marginally safer in the woods with a bear.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/police-say-missing-indiana-woman-kept-in-cage-in-mobile-home/1089765/
https://news.sky.com/story/who-is-josef-fritzl-the-rapist-who-kept-his-daughter-locked-in-a-cellar-for-24-years-12878269#:~:text=Fritzl%20was%20jailed%20for%20life,no%20longer%20posed%20a%20danger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan#:~:text=According%20to%20Stan%2C%20Hooker%20feared,for%20the%20next%20three%20years.
https://fox59.com/news/arrests-made-in-connection-to-missing-person-investigation-in-evansville/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/man-holds-teen-girl-captive-dog-cage-no-prison_n_5cc9a10ae4b0e4d7572c4a58
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/justice/mobile-home-captive-freed/index.html
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/mystery/did-a-couple-who-kept-victim-captive-for-7-years-kill-missing-teen-marie-elizabeth-spannhake#:~:text=She%20also%20recalled%20Spannhake%20wouldn,a%20state%20park%2C%20she%20claimed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_violence_against_women
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Incidents_of_violence_against_girls
https://www.nativehope.org/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-mmiw
https://people.com/crime/gallery-elizabeth-smart-jaycee-dugard-kidnapping-survivors/
https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-serial-killers-of-women/ranker-crime
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf
Tell you what, if you can show me a single incident where a bear kidnapped and caged a women and raped her violently for years, I'll reconsider.
I've been through this. People rarely encounter bears. They encounter men all the time. Of course there is more violence from men, but I would argue more surprise encounters with bears end badly than encounters with men. And rape is hardly the only violence that can befall a woman.
But why bother? All of us men are disgusting rapists, apparently. Guess I should be like Shrek and retire to my swamp if everyone will just be afraid of me. Too bad I don't actually have one.
or you could be the kind of guy that didn't question women based on their decisions, but based upon the dystopia we live in mate.
you think this is about you. If you're not a rapist piece of trash, then you're mistaken. But the world is full of people who put women in fear of their safety, it's real, and your derision of it is sad.
Women are rapists as well.
Thanks for the logical fallacy.
Just because women can be rapists, and indeed, there are women who are rapists, does not and should not have any bearing on the point.
This is the same as yelling "all lives matter" into a crowd of BLM protestors. Yeah, no shit. Just because one thing is true doesn't mean that the inverse is impossible.
Sorry, I thought we were doing over broad, unnecessarily divisive generalities.
Point taken.
but but whataboutism at it's finest. great job mate. fantastic work, on behalf of all men, I'd like to ask: FUCKING STOP. Stop trying to stick up for our side because it's not helping.
There are no sides here. The fact that you think their are sides tips your bias. Every human is capable of horrible things regardless of age, race, or sex. The bear thing is so dumb and clickbait.
Funny, because every single woman I've spoken too IMMEDIATELY understood and picked the bear.
Don't you think it's odd that women everywhere are choosing a wild 800lb beast instead of putting their faith in men?
Perhaps there's a reason you're tiny mind just can't comprehend.
Do you live in India?
no, I live in a state where we have bears.
Well, if you lived in India, you would have had a point about walking down the street rape. However, walking down the street rape in the United States does not occur as much as you think it does.
Oh yeah the only place women have to worry about is india?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/police-say-missing-indiana-woman-kept-in-cage-in-mobile-home/1089765/
https://news.sky.com/story/who-is-josef-fritzl-the-rapist-who-kept-his-daughter-locked-in-a-cellar-for-24-years-12878269#:~:text=Fritzl was jailed for life,no longer posed a danger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan#:~:text=According to Stan%2C Hooker feared,for the next three years.
https://fox59.com/news/arrests-made-in-connection-to-missing-person-investigation-in-evansville/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/man-holds-teen-girl-captive-dog-cage-no-prison_n_5cc9a10ae4b0e4d7572c4a58
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/justice/mobile-home-captive-freed/index.html
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/mystery/did-a-couple-who-kept-victim-captive-for-7-years-kill-missing-teen-marie-elizabeth-spannhake#:~:text=She also recalled Spannhake wouldn,a state park%2C she claimed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_violence_against_women
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Incidents_of_violence_against_girls
https://www.nativehope.org/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-mmiw
https://people.com/crime/gallery-elizabeth-smart-jaycee-dugard-kidnapping-survivors/
https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-serial-killers-of-women/ranker-crime
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf
not like evidence will sway you but for the rest of the class, fuck off with your absurd takes.
No. But India has the worst gang rape of women walking on the street than anywhere else.https://apnews.com/article/india-sexual-violence-rape-b9016c82074c08583080db846d64055b
South Africa had a poll where 1 in 4 men admitted to rape. https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/report/84909/south-africa-one-four-men-rape
America is not bad for walking down the street violent rape like you are talking about. They gang raped a girl on a bus in India.
so you're insinuating that men have a rape problem?
huh.
I'm saying all people have a rape problem. Just the link you gave where a couple raped a girl. I'm also saying America has a low walking down the street rape problem compared to India, South Africa, and Botswana.
you spend a lot of time thinking about rape in other countries don't you?
huh.
Not as much as you when you're walking down the street.
I spend zero time worrying about being raped, I'm a cis gender white male.
But you see, there's this thing called empathy - and when women tell me they're worried, I genuinely believe them, because history shows their fears are well founded.
huh.
There is a higher chance of being mauled by a pitbull than being violently sexually assaulted on the streets of America yet there is a large portion of people that say it's not the breed, it's how they were raised.
Why aren't men talked about with similar empathy? Why don't we acknowledge there are more women pedophiles recieve lighter sentences and sometimes aren't convicted at all? Do you have empathy for these children?
I know you're happy to herring the argument in any direction to get a concession. I have empathy for lots of people, but it doesn't reduce the calculus: a woman might be harmed or killed by a bear, but the bear will never kidnap her and keep her in a cage, much less rape her.
Huh.
Herring? Don't bring fish into this.
A Red Herring argument is one that changes the subject, distracting the audience from the real issue to focus on something else where the speaker feels more comfortable and confident.
Your argument is tenuous and rambling, I'm going to block you now.
I'm pretty sure we were talking about walking down the street safety and sexual violence. Both if which are well within the boundaries of an argument. You can't just say "herring" and "rambling" and claim to make a great point.