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David Cameron urges BBC to describe Hamas as terrorist organisation
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Sounds like the BBC's explanation on their use of language regarding Hamas is relevant here:
Hamas is a terrorist organization because they use violence against civilians with the goal of imposing their political will, this is, they commit acts of terrorism. Now, if you use this standard, the Israeli government also uses violence against civilians with the goal of imposing their political will, this is, they commit acts of terrorism, therefore the Israeli government is also a terrorist organization. Would David Cameron be okay with the BBC maintaining their neutrality and describing both sides as terrorists?
I'd even go so far as to dispute this much. The Alaqsa Flood targeted armed border guards and other military personal. Rockets were defensive measures focused on Israeli snipers and drones patrolling the Gaza interior. The last two months of fighting have been entirely in Gaza, with Hamas rebels resisting the occupation and demolition of homes, schools, and hospitals.
Hamas rank slightly above the Vietcong on the terrorist spectrum.
I don't want to defend Israel but it feels a bit like you intentionally used a loose definition of terrorism to make your point.
Israel & Netanyahu (?) are all sorts of wrong but IDK if "terrorist" is the best adjective.
Edit: my apologies all, I seem to have made a comment which is not completely 100% derisive of Israel and it's behavior. I promise I'll do better.
Ben Gvir has been convicted eight times of incitement and terrorism charges. He also got exempted from the draft by the IDF for being too much of a right-wing radical.
Now, in his role as minister for national security, he's overseeing settler violence in the west bank, pretty much doing a Maurice Papon. Yes, the man is a terrorist.
Netanyahu though he's right-wing but not to that degree, he's simply corrupt and wants to keep in office to keep out of prison. If that had been more possible with a centre-left coalition than the current far-right one he would've moved left.
Why not?
Why?
Because of what they're saying. Actions aimed at innocent civilians for a political goal, that's terrorism. If you'd apply that definition to one, then also apply it to the other
My point is, that definition is so vague it includes every country in the world.
So what? What makes them any different? Does going through some bureaucratic process first legitimize the murder of civilians for political reasons?
It makes the use of the term terrorism an "appeal to emotion".
This type of logical fallacy is how people prop up weak arguments.
There's plenty of more appropriate words to describe Israel's behaviour, but the comment I replied to is using "terrorism" given the emotional significance.
Ironically, his comment cites the BBC editorial guidelines explaining my point. Terrorism is an emotionally charged term.
Nobody stated that "terrorism" isn't an emotionally charged term.
It's kinda funny you're talking about weak arguments when you completely avoided the question in my comment. It seems your only justification for why Israel's (or many other government's) actions can't be labeled terrorism is "everyone else is doing it too" but that doesn't really make a difference nor does it make the label incorrect.
Ok mate. Everyone is a terrorist. How alarming.
Still avoiding the question?
No a bureaucratic process does not legitimise murder it just means that "terrorism" is not the best term for this form of murder.
Why does the BBC not use this term?
Why is Cameron so keen to label Hamas as a terrorist organisation?
It's because there are emotional connotations.
If the best argument you can make requires words like "terrorist" then you don't have much of an argument.
Literally nobody is claming that it doesn't have emotional connotations, so I don't know why you keep harping on that.
Not sure what argument you're talking about here. It's also not disputed that Israel has, and is continuing to, slaughter tens of thousands of civilians, including infants.
This whole thread started with someone stating that Hamas are terrorists, but if you're going to apply that to them then you also need to apply to Israel.
Goodness gracious. This is so tedious.
My original point was, and still is, calling Israel a terrorist organisation is an "appeal to emotion" - use of emotional language to bolster an argument.
There are much more appropriate ways to describe their behavior and express your disapproval.
The BBCs editorial guidelines, to which I am replying, very clearly explain why the use of the term "terrorist" is not useful.
Cameron want's BBC to call Hamas terrorists, the commenter I originally replied to said "you should also call Israel terrorists", I'm saying that if you dilute the meaning of "terrorist" sufficiently to apply to Israel it becomes meaningless, and there are more astute arguments to be made.
Here we are, n comments later, discussing how wrong I was not to express my hyperbolic disapproval for Israel's behavior.