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[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

All social media is filled with animal cruelty.
There's so many pictures and videos of cut up animal corpses with people going "yum" in the comments..

[-] marx2k@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

I don't get how I never see that on regular Twitter.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

You've never seen any posts containing meat?

[-] marx2k@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago

You know, I really wish you were clearer in your OP so I wasn't dragged in to a vegans discussion

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Oh no you had to think about what happens to the animals you eat for a few seconds!

[-] marx2k@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

I didn't say I eat animals, chief.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Oh no you had to think about what happens to the animals ~~you~~ other people eat for a few seconds!

[-] reric88@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Eating animals isn't the problem, necessarily. It's how the animals are grown and raised like crops is the problem. I have a weird stance on this that looks very contradicting. Humans are animals, and we are engineered to include meat in our diets. However, I don't agree with how the majority of us access that meat.

I'm a strong believer in hunting for food, not sport. If you're going to eat an animal, you should work for it. And be thankful. Doesn't matter what beliefs you hold, you owe thanks to what the animal has provided you.

Meat farms are disgusting. But there's no way they will ever go away. They're much too profitable for companies to give up.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How do you humanely kill an animal who doesn't need or want to die?

How does thanking someone after you needlessly kill them help anything?

Why not just eat plants when we can easily thrive on a plant based diet?
We aren't "engineered" at all, we're omnivores which means we can do just fine both with and without meat.

[-] reric88@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

You hunt it. Not as a sport. Give the animal a fair chance, and even then it's not a fair fight, so be thankful for what's been provided

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Killing when we don't have to is cruel, doing it in the forest doesn't make it better, we can just eat plants.

There's nothing fair about needless killing, nothing is provided to you, you're taking it be force.

[-] reric88@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

We are animals engineered to eat meat. It is natural for humans to do so. Killing an animal has nothing to do with morality. How it's done does

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Humans aren't engineered at all.

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[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

It's a too bad that you weren't more clear than your first post, people almost took you serious

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

The "people going “yum” in the comments" made it so extremely obvious its about OP not wanting to see pieces of cooked meat in beef ramen videos

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why wouldn't it be serious?

Meat is cut up animal corpses.
Humans can easily thrive without meat so it's clearly abusive to kill for profit/taste.

Could you reactionary fucks think about the subject for more than 2 seconds before you get angry and downvote?

[-] Melpomene@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

With respect, this approach does nothing to convince people to reduce their meat consumption, and in fact alienates people who might otherwise be on the fence about reducing their meat intake.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We get told this literally no matter how we approach the subject lol.
Which approach is it you think I'm using here and why is it ineffective?
It's not like I've been especially rude or anything?

Which approach worked on you?

[-] Melpomene@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

You've been hostile ("reactionary fucks") and you've hijacked the broader discussion referenced in the article (Musk's Twitter showing terrible videos including human death, animal cruelty, etc) to make a point about meat consumption generally versus videos on Twitter showing the intentional and purposeful infliction of pain on animals for pleasure.

My meat consumption is down quite a bit. Information on substitutes, good recipes, studies on the intelligence of (for example) squid and such have shifted me into eating less meat. While I'm sure you'd prefer people not eat meat at all, convincing 5 people to cut their meat consumption 50% is better than convincing 0 people to cut their meat consumption 100% , no?

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The "reactionary fucks" was in response to hostility. Hijacking broader topic? I'm sure you're on reddit complaining about John Oliver taking over the broader topic that is generally on r/pics. I'll let you ruminate on that until you see the obvious point.

I'm sure in history some abolitionists wanted to get rid of slavery all together, but just minimizing the number of slaves is better than nothing right so they shouldn't have been so absolutist. At least according to your own argument unless you admit to being hypocritical or simply not understanding the argument of those you're responding to. You can't be neither though.

You're putting forth either bad faith arguments or extremely toxic ones, under the guise of polite society. It's kind of sickening if you aren't actually intentionally doing it.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

("reactionary fucks")

After my comments were downvoted to hell lol.

I've not hijacked anything, I contributed to the conversation and everyone lost their minds because they don't wanna think about the animal abuse they support every day.

convincing 5 people to cut their meat consumption 50% is better than convincing 0 people to cut their meat consumption 100% , no?

Would you feel the same about abolishing slavery?

[-] Melpomene@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Would I prefer that 5 people free half of their slaves versus no one freeing any slaves? Of course, why would I want everyone to stay enslaved if I could free some and continue to work to free others? Would you prefer that everyone who is currently a slave remain enslaved until we convince the entire world to free their slaves?

I think they more prefer to focus on the issue (the state of Twitter) in a post about Twitter, versus going off on tangents that would otherwise make for interesting conversation.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Would you prefer people advocate for freeing all slaves or "slave free monday"?

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[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

?????

Slavery never ended suddenly, exactly like any other major change in society. Also its extremely off topic.

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

This is kind of funny, cause it's the same approach the toxic right takes against progressives. "Be nice to us cause pointing out the things you do makes us get angry instead and won't convince us." It'd be ridiculously hilarious if it weren't so sad at the same time. This is the most subtly toxic response you could have had.

[-] reric88@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Come on, guy, are you farming for an argument? You aren't helping your case by being abrasive

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[-] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The content moderation is more active I guess. People post stuff like that all the time on Facebook and Instagram too. Not sure if they have an algorithm or whatever to trigger removal but a good amount are still manually removed by workers, some who quit because of the psychological repercussions

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebook-content-moderator-interviews-trauma-working-conditions-arizona

[-] marx2k@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I did listen to a podcast about content moderators at Facebook having breakdowns from dealing with having to see that kind of shit day in, day out.

Fuck. That. Noise.

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[-] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

Folks, there is important, valid discussion to be had about meat eating both from ethical an environmental perspectives. I'm not sure that !Technology is the place to have that discussion, however.

More importantly, this thread was not the way to discuss these issues, particularly on Beehaw. The behavior in this thread was not nice, and is not the way that these types (or any type) of discussion should be conducted.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I just made a comment about animal cruelty on social media, in a thread about animal cruelty on social media.

Sadly speaking up for the animals provokes angry responses in many people.

[-] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying that you are solely at fault for the thread getting out of hand, but I hope we can agree that when things devolve to the point that we're talking about murdering other users and eating their corpses that the discussion has probably gotten out of hand.

I think there are ways of discussing even controversial topics without the conversation spinning out of control, but I know that this topic in particular touches a nerve with a lot of folks. Just please try to be mindful of whether you're escalating or deescalating the argument in the future.

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[-] 0xSim@fedia.io 9 points 1 year ago

Yes there's no difference between a picture of a steak and fries on a plate, and a kitten being tortured then burned alive. Absolutely the same thing.

[-] Moira_Mayhem@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Not to vegans, they're clinically insane.

[-] MrsEaves@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Whoa - I’ve been reading this discussion and I went to look at what community it federated from, and I was really surprised to find it was Beehaw. I think this discussion has gotten very heated on both sides (which I understand, I’m vegan myself), but name calling doesn’t move the conversation forward. I notice you’re coming from kbin.social too - this is just a gentle reminder from a fellow kbin visitor to keep Beehaw’s community guidelines in mind as you’re visiting, and participate in debate with respect. I love the content and community here, and I would hate for our instance to be defederated from Beehaw because we’re not practicing awareness of the community we’re participating in and their guidelines.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why is it better to kill a cow for profit/taste?

Both scenarios are needless killing of animals which is obviously terrible abuse.

Is caring about animal abuse insane?

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[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're both clearly abuse, the steak used to be a living being who was tortured and killed for profit/taste.

Why are you people downvoting me? Do you think steaks don't come from cows who are killed?

[-] 0xSim@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago

Don't play dumb, people are downvoting you because you pretend that seeing a picture of a steak evokes the same feelings as seeing a video of a kitten being tortured to death.

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